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Old 01-22-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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Are these people (politicians) really this stupid, do they lust for power that bad (government controlling everything) or are they just that in the pocket of big-business? I say all three, but maybe someone can enlighten me. I'm all FOR healthcare reform but not this stupid solution. Why the F don't they just open the market? Healthcare would have to become affordable or many businesses would wither and die. And that's the point...they know it. Companies would be fighting over your business. To get it, they would have to offer it at a reasonable rate. Do this, eliminate loopholes/fine print (if you insure em', you gotta cover em') and penalize the ones who f with people. Why so hard? Win-win. Mr. hope and change is the same guy in a different suit. Now is the time for a strong independant to run for president.
It is time for a strong third party candidate for President.

When Perot ran in 92 the anger was not 1/10000th of what it is today.

People are fed up with both parties pandering to big money.

Your post makes too much sense for our so called leaders to comprehend.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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More BS from the Presidunce.

Will someone ask the idiot when he is going to start fighting.

Then the line that he wants to create jobs for everyone.

It took him 1 year to even talk about jobs and now he acts like it is the most important thing in the world.

People are not that stupid Obama. We know you could care less.

He is a complete joke and thinks now that his scam care FAILED he can now go onto jobs.

Where the hell as he been?

Hey stupid ---

Your way too late with the jobs BS, everyone has already lost their homes in record numbers that you promised to save.

Nice try but the fighting line is just another LIE.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:37 PM
 
Location: PNW
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It is time for a strong third party candidate for President.

When Perot ran in 92 the anger was not 1/10000th of what it is today.

People are fed up with both parties pandering to big money.

Your post makes too much sense for our so called leaders to comprehend.
I'm sorry but I don't know if I can agree with you (about it making too much sense). I keep hearing that I'm not as smart as them because I don't have a Harvard Degree. Mine are from other places therefore I apparently suck. Seriously though...an f-ing reasonable teenager would have more to offer than some of these geniuses. Maybe we should have a special election for the best high school president and vice president, lower the age and let them run in the next presidential election. I'm just sayin'.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by JDTD2.0 View Post
Are these people (politicians) really this stupid, do they lust for power that bad (government controlling everything) or are they just that in the pocket of big-business? I say all three, but maybe someone can enlighten me. I'm all FOR healthcare reform but not this stupid solution. Why the F don't they just open the market? Healthcare would have to become affordable or many businesses would wither and die. And that's the point...they know it. Companies would be fighting over your business. To get it, they would have to offer it at a reasonable rate. Do this, eliminate loopholes/fine print (if you insure em', you gotta cover em') and penalize the ones who f with people. Why so hard? Win-win. Mr. hope and change is the same guy in a different suit. Now is the time for a strong independant to run for president.
Because....under THIS administration and the Dems in Congress.....it was never about reforming our health care.
The simple solution IS to allow more competition and crack down on frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits.

But....where ARE all the attornies?

It's a major attempt for the govt. to CONTROL your life through the guise of their idea of health care......while redistributing a LOT of wealth for them and their progressive, socialist agenda elitists.
A HUGE powerplay allowing THESE people to CONTROL.......our birth and death rate numbers, if they wish....and make a TON doing so.....leaving our selves BROKE for many generations and enslaved to them and their radical, Marxist leaders on top of it all.
CONTROL of a vast part of our entire economy too.

NO THANKS!

HC "reform" I can do WITHOUT and apparently, many others.

Hope this info. enlightened you but the Libs. and Progressies will completely disagree with it.
They KNOW better, ya know?
That's why they dominate the Party of HEADCHEESE!
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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HC "reform" I can do WITHOUT and apparently, many others.
That's what you think because the sources you choose to listen to tell you that. Fewer and fewer employers are providing health benefits. That means you are now on the hook to pay your premiums yourself. That is now running around $500.00/mo for the average family. As unemployment rises (and it will) fewer and fewer Americans will be able to afford insurance. Why do we need insurance? Because a broken leg, a relatively common occurence is a $30,000.00 proposition. Cancer is instant insolvency, not only for yourself but your entire extended family. So maybe it can't happen to you because you have aged out of the critical sector or maybe not but where is your humanity? Can you also do without clean water or air? Food? When Tyson foods owns part of a president do you think it will be long before chickens are $120 a pound! That's what chicken costs in Jamaica. Different money? Yes, and no. It's taken 100 years for the relative differences between economies to establish themselves but within those economies inflation is still inflation. Once upon a time chicken in Jamaica cost $2.00/lb. same as here. Tyson will not care if only those earning 150,000/yr or better can eat period because there are plenty such people in America. In fact, at present, the U.S. economy moves forward mostly on the impetus of those with net worths in the tens of millions of dollars. There isn't enough consumption by 'ordinary' Americans to justify caring for them anymore. Wake up!!!

H
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: PA
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I think Obama thinks he is up for re-election in 2010.
Or maybe that Republican win in Mass scared him into more (for the people) promises.
You know with money we don't have, create jobs from money we don't have and tax the rich to feed the poor (Robin Hood) routine.
Seems to me we have been robbing the middle class to feed the rich, the banks, the bankrupt corporations and the lobbyist groups . Meanwhile the progressive socialists who push for equality ignore the continued theft of anyone via big government. You want to help the American people? Get the government out of our wallets, our personal lives and end all money to corporations and laws that benefit one over the other.


I have one word to describe this government
INEPT

They are inept to run healthcare, run peoples money and run our social choices.
How can an incept government help anyone.
PS before you say it.. troll democrats and troll neocons.
Bush and Obama are both just as bad for this country along with almost everyone in congress.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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That's what you think because the sources you choose to listen to tell you that. Fewer and fewer employers are providing health benefits. That means you are now on the hook to pay your premiums yourself. That is now running around $500.00/mo for the average family. As unemployment rises (and it will) fewer and fewer Americans will be able to afford insurance. Why do we need insurance? Because a broken leg, a relatively common occurence is a $30,000.00 proposition. Cancer is instant insolvency, not only for yourself but your entire extended family. So maybe it can't happen to you because you have aged out of the critical sector or maybe not but where is your humanity? Can you also do without clean water or air? Food? When Tyson foods owns part of a president do you think it will be long before chickens are $120 a pound! That's what chicken costs in Jamaica. Different money? Yes, and no. It's taken 100 years for the relative differences between economies to establish themselves but within those economies inflation is still inflation. Once upon a time chicken in Jamaica cost $2.00/lb. same as here. Tyson will not care if only those earning 150,000/yr or better can eat period because there are plenty such people in America. In fact, at present, the U.S. economy moves forward mostly on the impetus of those with net worths in the tens of millions of dollars. There isn't enough consumption by 'ordinary' Americans to justify caring for them anymore. Wake up!!!

H
Well.....if and when YOU ever wake up, you will notice that I AM FOR an overhaul with our Health Care in this country!

I understand your complaints and concerns over costs and coverage.....but THIS "THING" has got nothing to do with what YOU believe will HELP......YOU or anyone other than what "they" want and its far bigger and badder than anything resembling Health, Care or REFORM that I, we......desire.

It's a mistake and the real solution to your pain....lies within free market COMPETITION along with oversight......not total Govt. CONTROL that would surely....re-distribute wealth and explode an already fat govt. with a voracious appetite for more, more , more!

They take, take, take to get it and bubblewrap themselves with progressive elitists who know what's good for ya.
You see a bigger picture....when YOU WAKE UP!
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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You mean - "I'll never stop talking for you".
Ha! unless of course he's talking about you to someone from a foreign country.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll View Post
You know with money we don't have, create jobs from money we don't have and tax the rich to feed the poor (Robin Hood) routine. Seems to me we have been robbing the middle class to feed the rich, the banks, the bankrupt corporations and the lobbyist groups . Meanwhile the progressive socialists who push for equality ignore the continued theft of anyone via big government. You want to help the American people? Get the government out of our wallets, our personal lives and end all money to corporations and laws that benefit one over the other.


I have one word to describe this government
INEPT

They are inept to run healthcare, run peoples money and run our social choices.
How can an incept government help anyone.
PS before you say it.. troll democrats and troll neocons.
Bush and Obama are both just as bad for this country along with almost everyone in congress.
I can agree. It is a little late, however, to hope for or expect a bloodless revolution. And, indeed, a revolution is what it would take to modify the entrenched duplex party system i.e. Demican/Republicrat duplexity. i see no stomach for change among the populace. It is still good enough for many. Maybe in 10 years, but not yet.

H
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So the Brown victory did hit a nerve in the WH. Talk is focused on "Americans" now ?
IMO he's just trying to gain Democratic favor with the voters. He's back to campaigning
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