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Old 01-25-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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It's the Trade War. Globalization and so called "free trade" comes at a price. Paid for by the loss of the middle income America to the Eastern powers brought to you by,...., Too Big To Fail.

"Even if the economy is stimulated, most of the jobs would go to China."

We have to either get out of or renegotiate anti-middle class trade agreements like WTO & NAFTA .

We need public campaign finance reform NOW.

"Campaigning is usually good for government. And government is good for the campaign. But the needs of the campaign sometimes conflict with the needs of the country and government -- which prevents good government. That's the situation in Washington today.
We need desperately to stop the offshoring of jobs, production, and the economy.
But the President and Congress need contributions for the campaign.
The financial crowd that furnishes the contributions wants to keep the U. S. market open so they can dump their offshored production back into the United States market for a big profit.
To keep the market open, Wall Street, the big banks, their think tanks, Corporate America, and the Business Roundtable engage in a charade of opposing protectionism and cry "free trade." Congress, needing campaign contributions, refuses to regulate trade as the nation goes out of production.
"

Simon Johnson is one prominent economist who is not in denial that there exists a corporate oligarchy in America.

The fact of the matter is, the highest authority in the land is not the Supreme Court, not the Presidency, not the left/right or Dems/GOP,and most certainly should never be an oligarchy.

The highest authority in the land is the Constitution.

It was designed and periodically amended to protect natural person American citizens from the tyranny not only of an overreaching government but also of our fellows whether in the form of a single individual or the behind the veil of a fictional entity called a corporation.

But 1st we have to be educated about our rights and those of the officials who we elect to serve us to protect our Constitutional rights and privileges.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kovert View Post
And as you are so respectful of the law, you well know that impeachment, Congress deciding the right wing majority (actually) made a decision outside of their jurisdiction and thus nulling the ruling; or adding more judges (appointed by the Pres.) to the court is well within the powers granted in our beloved Constitution to check the power of the Supreme Court. After all, checks and balances is one of the elements that makes our nation so democratic!
Public servant should worry only about serving the public interest and not raising campaign money.
The way things are that is almost impossible and this is way things either don't get done (particularly when it will promote long term benefits for non-corporate America) or the the things that do (bankster bailouts) do not benefit Main Street.

With a good public finance system in place and plus the internet as a podium, public servants would be able to govern rather than campaign 24/7.

But especially with the threats on Net Neutrality, we need a person like Susan Crawford permanently on the administration to ward off the privatization of the net.

" Globalization is nothing more than a Trade War with production looking for a country cheaper to produce. For example, if your competition can off-shore to China, your production in the United States has to meet the China price or you can't survive.
Bottom line: In globalization, Corporate America can't produce for a profit in America. Our country sustains on imports. More importantly, our defense depends on imports. "

So wake up time non-corporate America. It does not matter if you're black or white OR left and right. If you're a middle income or working American citizen, you have to recognize Too Big To Fail really stands for,..., oligarchy.

Not a free and open market capitalism, not an overreaching big brother government and not socialism, OLIGARCHY INC.

This the tyrannical force that threatens to turn us as Simon Johnson so eloquently put, " a banana republic". Yes we could collapse just like the once powerful Russia did.

Still we have the Constitution. So all those who want to remain citizens of a sovereign, 1st world nation-state rather than a consumizen of a for-profit corporate state spread the word to friends, families, organizations, Congressmen, that:

1. We demand Fair Trade and not "free trade".
2. We demand a Net Neutral Internet.
3. The overturn of the anti-democratic Supreme Court ruling on corporations.
4. We demand public campaign finance reform.

Again the war that's really hurting us is the Trade War. How can we seriously believe someone is protecting us when their is a drug war right smack on our unprotected southern borders.

Lets get public servants once again serving the public interest.

Last edited by kovert; 01-25-2010 at 03:23 PM..

 
Old 01-25-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Duly repped and good luck with this. No doubt someone has eloquent views on why middle America doesn't deserve to work because they lack sufficient intelligence, ambition and character to be Captains of Industry and chart their own course for a prosperous future.

H
 
Old 01-25-2010, 07:18 PM
 
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No longer having a rural or inner city preference.

Poverty, coming to a suburb near YOU.

Of course there has been some indications of an economic recovery.
It just happens to be the case only for an exclusive club of corporat,..er..., persons.

But of course those damnable progressives rabble rousers trying to stir up class envy by commenting on the needs of the middle class.

Warren is the worst of the bunch, especially with that commie agency idea of hers.

Ah, there is nothing better than a free lunch, especially with Main Street paying.
 
Old 01-25-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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A taste of the change the Framers would never have wanted to believe in.

Charlie gives a good outline to the game plan that panned out last week.

Its official. Welcome to the Colliding Cartels of (Corporate) America and its consumizens.
 
Old 01-25-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kovert View Post
It's the Trade War. Globalization and so called "free trade" comes at a price. Paid for by the loss of the middle income America to the Eastern powers brought to you by,...., Too Big To Fail.

"Even if the economy is stimulated, most of the jobs would go to China."

We have to either get out of or renegotiate anti-middle class trade agreements like WTO & NAFTA .

We need public campaign finance reform NOW.

"Campaigning is usually good for government. And government is good for the campaign. But the needs of the campaign sometimes conflict with the needs of the country and government -- which prevents good government. That's the situation in Washington today.
We need desperately to stop the offshoring of jobs, production, and the economy.
But the President and Congress need contributions for the campaign.
The financial crowd that furnishes the contributions wants to keep the U. S. market open so they can dump their offshored production back into the United States market for a big profit.
To keep the market open, Wall Street, the big banks, their think tanks, Corporate America, and the Business Roundtable engage in a charade of opposing protectionism and cry "free trade." Congress, needing campaign contributions, refuses to regulate trade as the nation goes out of production.
"

Simon Johnson is one prominent economist who is not in denial that there exists a corporate oligarchy in America.

The fact of the matter is, the highest authority in the land is not the Supreme Court, not the Presidency, not the left/right or Dems/GOP,and most certainly should never be an oligarchy.

The highest authority in the land is the Constitution.

It was designed and periodically amended to protect natural person American citizens from the tyranny not only of an overreaching government but also of our fellows whether in the form of a single individual or the behind the veil of a fictional entity called a corporation.

But 1st we have to be educated about our rights and those of the officials who we elect to serve us to protect our Constitutional rights and privileges.



Public servant should worry only about serving the public interest and not raising campaign money.
The way things are that is almost impossible and this is way things either don't get done (particularly when it will promote long term benefits for non-corporate America) or the the things that do (bankster bailouts) do not benefit Main Street.

With a good public finance system in place and plus the internet as a podium, public servants would be able to govern rather than campaign 24/7.

But especially with the threats on Net Neutrality, we need a person like Susan Crawford permanently on the administration to ward off the privatization of the net.

" Globalization is nothing more than a Trade War with production looking for a country cheaper to produce. For example, if your competition can off-shore to China, your production in the United States has to meet the China price or you can't survive.
Bottom line: In globalization, Corporate America can't produce for a profit in America. Our country sustains on imports. More importantly, our defense depends on imports. "

So wake up time non-corporate America. It does not matter if you're black or white OR left and right. If you're a middle income or working American citizen, you have to recognize Too Big To Fail really stands for,..., oligarchy.

Not a free and open market capitalism, not an overreaching big brother government and not socialism, OLIGARCHY INC.

This the tyrannical force that threatens to turn us as Simon Johnson so eloquently put, " a banana republic". Yes we could collapse just like the once powerful Russia did.

Still we have the Constitution. So all those who want to remain citizens of a sovereign, 1st world nation-state rather than a consumizen of a for-profit corporate state spread the word to friends, families, organizations, Congressmen, that:

1. We demand Fair Trade and not "free trade".
2. We demand a Net Neutral Internet.
3. The overturn of the anti-democratic Supreme Court ruling on corporations.
4. We demand public campaign finance reform.

Again the war that's really hurting us is the Trade War. How can we seriously believe someone is protecting us when their is a drug war right smack on our unprotected southern borders.

Lets get public servants once again serving the public interest.
Gosh - we might actually agree on something!
 
Old 01-25-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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Gosh - we might actually agree on something!
Who'd thought?!
 
Old 01-26-2010, 10:37 PM
 
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More eye openers about what's going on with our government and financial system here and here.

And once again, the trade deficit and the inability to deal with it is what's killing our manufacturing. Watch.

Mention should be made of this video as well.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Where were you guys 40 years ago ? (mfg)
Ok then, where were you 20 years ago ? (back office IT)
How's about 10 years ago ? (mainstream IT/clerical work)
Well then..5 years ago ? (R&D, design, entire companies)
 
Old 01-26-2010, 10:58 PM
 
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Are we recovering from it all now? Will things soon be back to normal?

If by “normal” we mean like life during the “Great Stability,” the answer is: “Not a chance.” Back then we had in place tariffs and trade policies, first initiated in 1791 by Alexander Hamilton, that protected our domestic manufacturing industries. We still made things – in fact, the USA was the world’s largest exporter of manufactured goods, and the world’s largest creditor. Like today’s China, for over 100 years we’d loaned other countries money so they could buy our stuff!

On the other hand, if by “normal” we mean how things were over the past 28 “Reaganomics” years – a stagnating middle class, disintegrating manufacturing sector, and piles of money being made by bets and debts – then maybe. After just the first decade of Reaganomics, we went from being the world’s largest exporter of manufactured goods to being the world’s largest importer; we went from being the world’s largest creditor to being the world’s largest debtor.

Debt is Not Money – and Must Be Regulated
Debt is Not Money – and Must Be Regulated | Thom Hartmann (http://www.thomhartmann.com/2009/04/12/debt-is-not-money-%E2%80%93-and-must-be-regulated/ - broken link)

It does not matter what side of the aisle you are on. Thom Hartmann's words should be heeded. He is brilliant on these issues
 
Old 01-26-2010, 11:15 PM
 
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Don't worry sick, who better understands the evils of greed and capitalism than our new owner Communist China.

They are also great at preparing teas.
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