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And I read GOP plan, and it's grossly inefficient. It also fails to address root cause issues of why we're having astronomical costs imposed upon us above and beyond all other nations on the planet. So they are for all intents/ purposes veritably empty handed. No right winger on this forum has made an effort to point out the wisdom in their own plans proposed. I'd love to hear it, not to poke holes or make swiss cheese, but to encourage a better plan to arise with constructive criticism in mind.
As for bolded portion, FOX can do nothing more than heckle and incite disruptions. The tactics are not appropriate and I resent their attitude and presence undermining my government. The only fair and balanced source of media delivery is Cspan, who goes to pains to be unobtrusive. I strongly disagree that they should be closed out of sessions. I'm left wondering if the negotiations are stalled because legislators are busy policing themselves or if lobbyists want their turn to influence. Blaming the closed media sessions on a vast conspiracy against citizens... prove it.
I think you read into things people say a little too far in an effort to attack them.
This discussion was in regard to republicans being involved in the policy making procedure. Since they were being refered to as the "party of no", I simply pointed out that if they were simply the party of "no" they wouldn't have their own ideas and a plan posted on their own website. Thus, debunking the party of no nonsense. As far as discussing their plan or anything else regarding republican ideas posted online, this isn't the time nor place and it certainly doesn't fit into this discussion.
As far as fox news. I don't give a rats what you, the president, or anybody else thinks of the reporting that fox does. The second amendment doesn't care either. As long as they carry a badge that says "press", they should be allowed in. What kind of BS is it that you think that a news agency which publishes views you don't agree with shouldn't be afforded the constitutional rights they are guaranteed? Absolutely, 100%, ridiculous.
As far as your claim that their is a conspiracy... prove where I said that.
So I ask you directly... how much influence should big pharma, insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, and durable goods lobbyists have relative to the majority of people who can be potentially herded into a monopoly agaisnt their will? That question answered by both parties, and by all of us as individuals, needs an answer. Go ahead an answer for yourself, and your party.
I can't answer for my party, but for myself I can.
I don't think those entities you named should have any more interest than anyone else. Now answer my question: how much influence should unions have relative to the majority of people who can be forcefully herded into a socialist program against their will? Can you answer for YOUR party?
Again, obviously you don't know how a democracy in a Republic works, or you would be calling for all legislation of the previous administration that was not "bi-partisan" in your neo-modern definition to be repealed.
Show me one single instance in this entire thread where anybody said that they wanted the bill repealed.
Ready Go!
Nobody is talking about repealing anything except you. We are simply talking about the ability of the democrats to pass any bill they want to with a super majority, and more recently how absolutely stupid it is for you to pawn them not doing so off on the republicans. Anybody with a shred of logic is able to decipher your excuses and victim mentality for the dems as crap.
Ouch. You've hurt me. LOL...a partisan hack. Can you say pot meet kettle? I'm wrong...I'm sorry but your obviously not only wrong but have your head stuck in the sand as well. It has been documented again and again, over and over, but you continuing to say 'it's not true' simply does not make it so.
The Dem's lost the seat in MA simply b/c they thought they could run a empty suit and still win. They were wrong. Just like they thought Republicans would actually engage in trying to help run the country through bipartisan negotiations and legislation that is good for the country.
Will Dem's lose the congress in the near future, probably, and I hope they do. However, your attempts to attack and fling bile around are about all the ideas you have, and are representative of the last 8 years.
Show me one single instance in this entire thread where anybody said that they wanted the bill repealed.
Ready Go!
Nobody is talking about repealing anything except you. We are simply talking about the ability of the democrats to pass any bill they want to with a super majority, and more recently how absolutely stupid it is for you to pawn them not doing so off on the republicans. Anybody with a shred of logic is able to decipher your excuses and victim mentality for the dems as crap.
Another shining example of ultra-neo con Republicanism. You should really slow down and re-read before you post. I know I have to walk you through the process with a 1+1=2 scenario, but let's first see if you can pull yourself up with your own boot straps.
It took some doing to stop laughing at this post. I finally managed to stop enough to type, anyway.
You talk about bi-partisanship and that tells me that you failed to hear Leader Harry Reid when he said I now have a super majority and don't need any of your suggestions or votes. That is so bi-partisan.
Saying that the Demoncrats want bi-partisanship is about as silly as saying that boys don't start the life cycle for humans.
You say the Dems don't want to seem partisan and ram things through and I have to ask where you get your information about that. You don't know that Nancy Pelosi, the other Dem leader in the other house of Congress, refused to allow Republicans to debate on her floor and her chairmen refused to allow Republicans to enter amendments to their laws? I really do wonder where you get this info. Let me make a few guesses and see if I hit at least one. MediaMatters, TPM, Kos, HuffPo. Surely I hit at least one of your sources there.
Laughing, is good. I know I've done enough over this thread with the hilarity of it all. I don't recall Reid doing anything of the sort, but I do recall him saying exactly this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/us...cong.html?_r=1
Quote:
“We have 60 votes on paper,†Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, said Wednesday in an interview. “But we cannot bulldoze anybody; it doesn’t work that way. My caucus doesn’t allow it. And we have a very diverse group of senators philosophically. I am not this morning suddenly flexing my muscles.â€
And as far as Pelosi is concerned she shut down continuous amendments being offered in order to stall and not allow a vote on bills. And the chairmen refused to allow amendments, instead of open debate on the house floor by changing a house rule, just like Republican House Majorities have done for the last 12 years.
And while I''m sure I've seen or read some of the information from those sources, I've also got the information from the Bush PR corp of the New York Times. But let me guess where you get yours, since you like to blush eloquent...Hotair, Rush limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. Bastions of rational thought and cognitive dissonance.
Another shining example of ultra-neo con Republicanism. You should really slow down and re-read before you post. I know I have to walk you through the process with a 1+1=2 scenario, but let's first see if you can pull yourself up with your own boot straps.
ready, set, proceed.
Obviously you couldn't show me where anybody said to repeal the bill... so you deflected to attack me.
Agree. The Dem's want and long for bi-partisanship. The Repub's couldn't give a damn.
Until then, there will be more gridlock.
Let's just focus on the facts. There is no gridlock caused by Republicans in Congress. The Republicans, frankly, are just taking up space. If they show up and vote in 100% lockstep to do everything in their power to circumvent anything that the Democrats want...IT DOESN'T MATTER! They can scream, they can wave their own legislation around, they can hold one press conference after another claiming they're being excluded from the process and it wouldn't matter if the Democrats actually had their act together.
Here's the math:
House of Reps Breakdown:
256 Democrats
0 Independents
178 Republicans
Votes needed to pass A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G they want...218 (that means that 38 Dems can vote with the Republicans and they can still pass whatever they want)
Senate Breakdown:
57 Democrats
2 Independents
41 Republicans (with Scott Brown victory)
Votes need to pass A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G they want...51. Meaning that even if the Independents voted with the Republicans, they could still have 4 Democrats drop out and pass whatever they want.
So, here's where I don't see the logic. Nancy Pelosi claims after the Scott Brown victory, they don't have the votes in the House to pass health care. Scott Brown was voted into the Senate. The numbers above apply just the same as they did before Kennedy died. Yet, those who are partisan are still yelling that it's all the Republicans fault. I'm not a math genius, but even I can figure out this one.
As far as those who claim that the Democrats just want bi-partisan reform...I would ask you why? Do you think for one minute that if there was a Republican president and a Republican supermajority in Congress (not seen since the 1920s) that the Republicans wouldn't take advantage and bring every single one of their platform issues right through Congress to the President's desk? Do you think for one moment that they would stop and listen to the Democrats who would no doubt be screaming about the lack of bipartisanship?
The election of Obama and the wave of Democrats who swept into office was the American public saying "Ok, we've seen what happens when Republicans run the show...let's see now what you can do. And to make the pot even sweeter, we're not only going to give you a majority, but a supermajority (not seen since the 1920s)." And what have the Democrats done? Claim that various legislation is imperitive...that we will ruin our country without this legislation, that the days of prosperity will end if this isn't passed...blah, blah, blah. So...why can't a Democratic controlled Congress get anything passed?
As an Independent voter, I am saddened by it all. I said it before, but when Obama was elected, I felt a definite sense of optimism that has been totally deflated. I feel like I have nowhere to go...the Democrats are abysmal failures and I am not exactly jumping for joy at the prospect of voting for another Republican. I don't think I'm alone in the sea of Independent voters out there.
But I'm not going to just accept these bogus claims that Healthcare Reform, Cap & Trade, Immigration, etc, can't get passed because the Republicans are causing gridlock. The Republicans aren't doing anything...it's the Democrats who can't get their act together long enough to actually figure out what their "we will fall on the sword if necessary because we believe in this legislation so much" issues are and get them passed before November. The Republicans are practically chomping at the bit for November, but if the public supported the legislation that the Democrats passed and we saw firsthand that it worked, the Dems wouldn't have to worry about November. Instead, they've blown a history-making opportunity and the Independent voters who are going to decide the elections in November are really mad.
Didn't the Republicans just vote against pay-as-you go while at the same time squawking about the need to reduce the deficit?
Of course if you want to keep blaming Democrats...be my guest.
It takes two to tango.
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