Why do poor conservatives vote against social policies that would benefit them? (polls, Barack Obama)
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Yes, because the ACA is unlike anything else before... so, try not paying your taxes and see how far that gets you - oh, no - you're being forced to participate in funding various things for our nation via paying taxes! The horror! It's all so "socialist!"
Based upon your definition of "communism," every form of government is "communist" because they all require you to follow some rules and chip in some money... The horror...
I don't see Tea Party members lining up to move to Somalia or other government-free havens... I wonder why that is? After all, if all that's needed to make a nation is great is "for dah guberment to get out of the way," Somalia should be a haven of wealth and freedom... Hmmm...
mind you we do not want no government, we just want limited government as promised by the founding documents, and something that is expressly guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
what we have now is not that, what we have is over burdening government, something put in place by FDR and Wilson.
Conservatives are generally incapable of big picture, long term thinking.
The right-wing controls the money in this country. Look at corporate America. Our sluggish recovery is due to short term profits being more important than long term growth.
That generalization in your 1st paragraph is better made about liberals than conservatives.
Corporations are withholding investing in large capital projects because of uncertainty about taxes and regulations...remove those barriers and we would get large scale capital investment.
Corporate executives are examined based on quarterly profits but I don't know how you change that...do you?
Because they can't afford to pay into social security, health insurance, or welfare. Also, some of them are against abortion and I know of one person who votes conservative for that reason.
Conservatives are generally incapable of big picture, long term thinking.
The right-wing controls the money in this country. Look at corporate America. Our sluggish recovery is due to short term profits being more important than long term growth.
Majority of whom donate to the Democratic Party and are members of the democratic party
I worked at a machine shop in a blue state, surrounded by right-wing lunatics for years, and that experience provided an eye-opening look into what it means to support the far-right and the Tea party.
1) When I say "hate" I mean bigotry, like: ranting uncontrollably about how "those people" - except using the n-word - are "responsible for everything wrong in America." Or, giving me a KKK recruitment speech, claiming that the 1st Amendment protects lynching "those people." Or, blaming everything on: gays, Muslim, etc. And, let's not forget "turning the Middle East to glass and killing all those *&$&*&#$!" That's what I mean by hate - the hate spewing from the mouths of dozens of ardent supporters of the Tea Party... in one machine shop among countless such places, in a BLUE state... I shudder to think how bad and how common this would be in a red state!
2) When I say "guns" I mean "gun fetish" - placing more value in one's weapon than in the lives of one's fellow man. I DO support the 2nd Amendment, and I believe every state should easily grant concealed carry, home defense laws, etc. But I do NOT dream about "the day of killing, when all those *#*$*# will get what they deserve!" I don't sit around and loudly talk to my co-workers about how badly I want to "kill those people." I don't obsess over the number of guns I own. I don't have patriotic murder fantasies of finally killing the guberment / NATO stormtroopers / "communists" and so on. And yet - again - that insane mindset is as common among the Tea Party as flies on bull manure.
3) When I say "greed" I mean "I've got mine, so to heck with you!" The old farts who want social security and Medicare for them, but not for the next generation. The ones who eagerly support off-shoring of jobs because "only lazy, stupid people are out of work anyway!" The ones who want no minimum wage because "Back in mah day, anyone could get a job at the local steel mill bah showing up and shaking hands!" And - again - this mindset is laughably common on the far right and I saw it every day among my worthless coworkers in that little machine shop... one among many... in a BLUE state.
THAT is what I mean when I speak of hatred, guns, and greed. And that is what the Tea Party supporters represent - by their own words, not mine.
You use sweeping generalizations based on your own personal experiences in a work environment in a "blue state", and make a sweeping assumption that people in red states are even worse. For starters, I've found that true racism is more prevalent in NE blue states than southern red states. I know that does not fit the stereotype, yet your own example shows it to be real, if not the norm.
Another thing you do that surprises me is assuming Tea Party members are social conservatives. Granted the term "tea party" is being thrown around to describe everyone now who is anti-Obama & Co.
However the tea party people I know are not really focused on social issues, rather they are fiscal conservatives more concerned with our countries financial stability.
So while I do not doubt some of the people you have run into have done some of the things you claim, and even called themselves part of the tea party, you are making sweeping generalizations with little more than your own personal experiences. With 300 million plus people in this country, the few hundred you have worked with hardly constitutes a valid sampling.
Lastly on your comment about "old farts", keep in mind that they paid into a system every single week of their working lives under the promise that their money would be used to take care of them in their old age. So I fully understand them feeling as if they are entitled to get their own money back in services, with interest. That is a far cry from people who do not work and contribute to society, yet feel entitled to get benefits they have never earned. If you cannot see that distinction, you should reconsider.
Furthermore, most conservatives including myself do believe in a safety net. We just don't believe it should be abused as it so often is. We want to give our fellow Americans a hand up, not a hand out. Welfare should be a temporary solution to help someone land back on their feet, we need more Workfare, help them get marketable skills and find decent paying jobs so they can become self-sufficient. These long term welfare programs are traps, they rob people of their incentive and keep them in poverty forever. They are essentially slaves that the Democrats use to buy votes from.
Furthermore, most conservatives including myself do believe in a safety net. We just don't believe it should be abused as it so often is. We want to give our fellow Americans a hand up, not a hand out. Welfare should be a temporary solution to help someone land back on their feet, we need more Workfare, help them get marketable skills and find decent paying jobs so they can become self-sufficient. These long term welfare programs are traps, they rob people of their incentive and keep them in poverty forever. They are essentially slaves that the Democrats use to buy votes from.
From your article......
but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. Our poverty programs do rescue many people, but other times they backfire.
As a 2nd amendment proponent, your argument sounds exactly like the anti-gunners.....
"A majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens, but a few bad apples should totally dictate the ability to limit the right of Americans to own a fire arms"
but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. Our poverty programs do rescue many people, but other times they backfire.
As a 2nd amendment proponent, your argument sounds exactly like the anti-gunners.....
"A majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens, but a few bad apples should totally dictate the ability to limit the right of Americans to own a fire arms"
No. The article was not suggesting that, it was pointing out that those who use the programs temporary and intend to use it as a hand up do so. However many abuse it and the programs backfire because of those who choose to abuse them.
No. The article was not suggesting that, it was pointing out that those who usefirearms for recreation and defensive purposes intend to use firearms in a lawful purpose . However many abuse their rights to gun ownership and it backfires on them
Byt lets go back to welfare fpr the sake of the main topic at hand. My apologies for going off topic. So because a few bad people abuse the systme and it hurts them, we should not have welfare, even though it helps many people who are not actually abusing the program.
Byt lets go back to welfare fpr the sake of the main topic at hand. My apologies for going off topic. So because a few bad people abuse the systme and it hurts them, we should not have welfare, even though it helps many people who are not actually abusing the program.
I'm a second Amendment advocate myself, I understand what you are getting at. But I don't think that's what the article was saying. I think you are misinterpreting it.
There should be some welfare system in place, it needs to be reformed however and have limits applied to prevent abuse.
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