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Tonight on the news they interviewed a lot of the parents whose children were on that bus. Every single one of them said they had signed permission for the missionairies to take their children because they wanted to get their children out of Haiti and have a chance at a better life. So much for the children being "stolen."
so I can pop down to Mexico, have some Mexicans turn their kids over to me, than smuggle them into the US? no need to even bother consulting w/ the gov't? if the reverse had happened (people from another country trying to smuggle American children into another country), I have on doubt people would be PO. can you imagine the uproar if people from, say, the Netherlands, flew into NO after Katrina, found some kids that seemingly didn't have parents, put them on a bus, and drove off to Mexico to adopt them out?
the kids may not have been stolen, but there was an attempt to smuggle them into another country w/o proper documents. not much different than Mexicans paying a coyote to smuggle them into the US. no matter if the intentions were good, what they did was still illegal. so much of this wouldn't even be an issue if these people, had they truly wanted to help, had remained in the country. it doesn't sound like they knew what the hell they were doing and are suffering the consequences for breaking the law
Sorry, I thought you read the linked articles; they were not just opinions.
Do tell what facts have changed.
Here's a BBC article on the group: BBC News - Profile: New Life Children's Refuge But after the disaster, the mission's aim became to "rescue Haitian orphans abandoned on the streets, makeshift hospitals or from collapsed orphanages in Port-au-Prince and surrounding areas, and bring them to New Life Children's Refuge in Cabarete, Dominican Republic", the charity stated in an online document.
The article you yourself provide is nothing more than a profile of the group. I see no facts related to the incident. Unless you can come up with something a bit more concrete than your own sentiment, you have no argument at all.
I'm not sure how you can accuse me of claiming any facts have been altered since so far the only facts presented in this entire thread seem to be that some religious types from Idaho have been detained. The trafficking claim seems to have come from someone's imagination.
Tonight on the news they interviewed a lot of the parents whose children were on that bus. Every single one of them said they had signed permission for the missionairies to take their children because they wanted to get their children out of Haiti and have a chance at a better life. So much for the children being "stolen."
The breaking of international laws doesn't bother you at all, does it?
Got any links to this information? Not that it matters, laws have been broken.
The article you yourself provide is nothing more than a profile of the group. I see no facts related to the incident. Unless you can come up with something a bit more concrete than your own sentiment, you have no argument at all.
I'm not sure how you can accuse me of claiming any facts have been altered since so far the only facts presented in this entire thread seem to be that some religious types from Idaho have been detained. The trafficking claim seems to have come from someone's imagination.
There were 4 links, bother reading anything except for the one sentence blurb I pulled from the article?
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Originally Posted by DrEarth
What? And I thought Americans could do whatever they wanted to in the world.
They can, especially if they're xian.
It surprises me that people can't put themselves in the position of the other person, be it these families, the children (don't forge the american child fetishists), an Iraqi mother, etc.
The article you yourself provide is nothing more than a profile of the group. I see no facts related to the incident. Unless you can come up with something a bit more concrete than your own sentiment, you have no argument at all.
I'm not sure how you can accuse me of claiming any facts have been altered since so far the only facts presented in this entire thread seem to be that some religious types from Idaho have been detained. The trafficking claim seems to have come from someone's imagination.
I do find it odd that the Baptist missionaries did not coordinate the rescue of these 33 children with any already established church group in Haiti, or any established Catholic mission, before they planned a rescue of any sort. After all, aren't 80 percent of all Haitians Catholic?
“One of the elder girls told us, ‘I’m not an orphan. I still have my parents,’” he added. “She thought she was going on a summer holiday vacation given by friendly people from America and the Dominican Republic.”
The missionaries stated they were going to start an orphanage in the Dominican Republic in a 45-room hotel at Cabarete, a beach resort in the Dominican Republic.
Funny how they fled to a country who has been known for selling Haitian children into slavery and prostitution for years now. The article below states children are sold for around $120.
If there were no solid plans for an orphanage anywhere on paper, no funds to begin building one, etc- I hope they get the book thrown at them. I am furious that the others who do this and get away with it are free.
If convicting these people will help send a message that children who have suffered recent tragedy are not animals to be trapped then sold, that will be a great thing.
Most are sent by parents who cannot afford to care for them to families just slightly better off. Researchers found 11 percent of families that have a restavek have sent their own children into domestic servitude elsewhere.
Please note the emphasis on WHO is doing the selling. Decades ago boys were sold at lump sum fee by their families to work sugar cane fields in wealthier dominican republic plantations. They suffered horrible abuses and were lucky to make it past puberty. They were trying to undercut the pay of native dominicans, so the children were abused by the natives, killed by accidental injuries that became infections, or killed by the machetes of adults out of anger/ frustration. This is what those fields look like, and this depiction is tame relative to what I saw long ago.
Here are other methods they went about it as years passed by
Country Report: Dominican Republic (http://www.iabolish.org/slavery_today/country_reports/do.html - broken link)
Please note the emphasis on WHO is doing the selling. Decades ago boys were sold at lump sum fee by their families to work sugar cane fields in wealthier dominican republic plantations. They suffered horrible abuses and were lucky to make it past puberty. They were trying to undercut the pay of native dominicans, so the children were abused by the natives, killed by accidental injuries that became infections, or killed by the machetes of adults out of anger/ frustration. This is what those fields look like, and this depiction is tame relative to what I saw long ago.
And this has what to do with current kidnapping?
Nothing.
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