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It's ALWAYS ALL Governnment spending is bad with the wingers. ( except for our defense budget)
It could never be about prudent tax hikes where needed and cutting out waste where found and bloated defense budgets!
That's a silly liberal idea.......................That's why doing without parks, recreation, and proper road repairs is a good thing!
What kind of defense spending is going on in Colorado Springs?
You are confusing local government and federal government....and the bolded statement is a gross generalization....most people want a balance first and foremost. When decades of imbalance has to be corrected that correction can be painful. Raising taxes is not necessarily the right solution to the problem. Granted, there is likely frivolous spending to be cut as well.
Quote:
We Can't Treat Tax Dollars Like "Monopoly Money"
This applies as well to state and local governments as it does to the federal government.
"More than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark Monday. The police helicopters are for sale on the Internet. The city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators, beat cops — dozens of police and fire positions will go unfilled.
The parks department removed trash cans last week, replacing them with signs urging users to pack out their own litter.
Neighbors are encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to local green spaces, because parks workers will mow them only once every two weeks. If that.
Water cutbacks mean most parks will be dead, brown turf by July; the flower and fertilizer budget is zero.
City recreation centers, indoor and outdoor pools, and a handful of museums will close for good March 31 unless they find private funding to stay open. Buses no longer run on evenings and weekends. The city won't pay for any street paving, relying instead on a regional authority that can meet only about 10 percent of the need."
Right wing lemmings too brainwashed to dare raise taxes on the wealthy or corporations. Instead they will do without proper road repairs and recreation.
You think that is bad ;wait until the cuts come form Obama massive defcit spending. The demcrats have raise the debt limit fic=ve timwes since they got control of cogress. The lkast two times were in december and just the other day. They are soending so much that they need to raise the debt level monthly. With goivernment spending in hios proposed buget getting close to 77% of GDP we will see much more than just a riase on what the rich can pay to support others that pay nothig at the end of year. That will mean sever cuts like never seen before. Economist for decades have warned about the tipping poit at which the economu=y is jsut waiting for what would noramlly be a downturn to a crisis much worse than todaY.
What kind of defense spending is going on in Colorado Springs?
You are confusing local government and federal government....and the bolded statement is a gross generalization....most people want a balance first and foremost. When decades of imbalance has to be corrected that correction can be painful. Raising taxes is not necessarily the right solution to the problem. Granted, there is likely frivolous spending to be cut as well.
This applies as well to state and local governments as it does to the federal government.
I'm not confusing anything. The original post specifically mentions a rejection of local tax hikes. The discussion turned to Federal spending after misinformed wingers chimed in with their typical right wing story lines. I answered them.
A city finally emerges which sees the importance of a balanced budget and cutting services in order to maintain conformance to the established budget. What does one of the token progressive liberals on this site say "right wing lemmings to barinwashed to dare raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations"
Lets evaluate which services the city cut, and see if those services are utilized ONLY by the right and corporations.
Street lights - I am pretty sure that there are street lights in ALL neighborhoods and commerical/industrial districts. All people, regardless of wealth or class enjoy the benefits of street lights. Maybe we should turn them all off in all areas EXCEPT those that actually pay taxes. Why should people who don't pay taxes enjoy the benefit of them?
Police cuts - Do we see more activity from the police in ghettos, or business parks/rich areas? So, you expect these people that hardly use the services to provide the cost to operate them so people in some other neighborhood can be safer, even though they can't afford to pay for the safety. Nor raise their families right, which is half the reason they have such dangerous conditions.
Parks - Yes yes, asking people to throw away their own garbage is simply a violation of our rights as citizens. Trash cans MUST be provided. How many corporate conference calls have you seen in the parks? Surely they should be the ones responsible to holding the park district together.
Grass cutting - Oh man, the city has asked for the labor help of the citizens to maintain common areas. How ABSURD. I can't believe they didn't raise taxes on XYZ corporate offices because I am a lazy POS
Water cutbacks - If they live in an area where grass isn't common not regular for the geographic locations, putting systems in to maintain it seems pretty silly to me. If they all want grass, move to an area where its common.
City Recreation - For most logical people, when the wallet gets a little empty, the first and easiest thing to sacrifice is discretionary spending. Makes sense.
This is the problem with tax and spend liberals. They think that the money is endless, that all programs and services offered by the government can be run off of simply taxing a very small percent of our population. The selfish and self centered attitude that those people with money somehow are responsible for paying for things that people can't afford is astounding. How pathetic. Truely pathetic. Most of those rich people and corporations are the ones responsible for the majority of charity money.
ENTITLEMENT ENTITLEMENT ENTITLEMENT
Put all the tax and spend progressive liberals together in one city, with no one else, and watch it turn into riots. Anybody want to bet. Unbelievable. Simply stupid.
well put...
what we have here is a knee-jerk reaction...nothings actually happened yet, and people are already crying for help!
let's give it 3-6 months, and revisit this thread...until then, i think the OP should have a tall glass of ****...all this white/black hatism is creating more problems than anything...
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A city finally emerges which sees the importance of a balanced budget and cutting services in order to maintain conformance to the established budget. What does one of the token progressive liberals on this site say "right wing lemmings to barinwashed to dare raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations"
Lets evaluate which services the city cut, and see if those services are utilized ONLY by the right and corporations.
Street lights - I am pretty sure that there are street lights in ALL neighborhoods and commerical/industrial districts. All people, regardless of wealth or class enjoy the benefits of street lights. Maybe we should turn them all off in all areas EXCEPT those that actually pay taxes. Why should people who don't pay taxes enjoy the benefit of them?
Police cuts - Do we see more activity from the police in ghettos, or business parks/rich areas? So, you expect these people that hardly use the services to provide the cost to operate them so people in some other neighborhood can be safer, even though they can't afford to pay for the safety. Nor raise their families right, which is half the reason they have such dangerous conditions.
Parks - Yes yes, asking people to throw away their own garbage is simply a violation of our rights as citizens. Trash cans MUST be provided. How many corporate conference calls have you seen in the parks? Surely they should be the ones responsible to holding the park district together.
Grass cutting - Oh man, the city has asked for the labor help of the citizens to maintain common areas. How ABSURD. I can't believe they didn't raise taxes on XYZ corporate offices because I am a lazy POS
Water cutbacks - If they live in an area where grass isn't common not regular for the geographic locations, putting systems in to maintain it seems pretty silly to me. If they all want grass, move to an area where its common.
City Recreation - For most logical people, when the wallet gets a little empty, the first and easiest thing to sacrifice is discretionary spending. Makes sense.
This is the problem with tax and spend liberals. They think that the money is endless, that all programs and services offered by the government can be run off of simply taxing a very small percent of our population. The selfish and self centered attitude that those people with money somehow are responsible for paying for things that people can't afford is astounding. How pathetic. Truely pathetic. Most of those rich people and corporations are the ones responsible for the majority of charity money.
ENTITLEMENT ENTITLEMENT ENTITLEMENT
Put all the tax and spend progressive liberals together in one city, with no one else, and watch it turn into riots. Anybody want to bet. Unbelievable. Simply stupid.
This is the big lie that the right wing talking heads want you to believe.
It's spending on education, and infrastructure, and social programs, and city services, and parks that are leading us to ruin.
The Health Care Bill being debated would have cost 28 Billion in additional spending per year. Less than 1% of the Federal Budget. Meanwhile a request for an additional $33 Billion to fight needless wars, one Month ago doesn't even raise a peep out of these fake fiscal conservatives.
It's never about the bloated defense budget. It's never about the ultra wealthy having a too low of an "effective" tax rate. It's never about corporations earning Billions paying more into the system.
This graph shows you where the money is going. And why the right wing is exactly where you don't want to go if you want to help middle class Americans.
The reason people move from State to State is primarily because of tax rates!
Please post evidence of this???
Golisano leaving New York to escape income taxes (http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/672153.html - broken link)
Ending any speculation about another possible run for governor, Rochester businessman and Sabres owner B. Thomas Golisano said Thursday he will be moving his legal residence to Florida to escape New York state taxes.
Golisano told a gathering of Rochester business executives that he will remain as owner of the Buffalo hockey team, but he is fleeing the Empire State to avoid paying $13,000 a day in state income taxes.
But, a new Siena poll shows that it's not just the wealthy who are fed up with the state and want to leave or would consider leaving. According to the poll, 11 percent said they'd leave "unless conditions in New York state get better" and 10 percent said they "would like to move out of New York State as quickly as I can." Both responses were the highest ever for that poll. But what's in a poll? More than you think. The Buffalo News reported earlier this week that a mother and her two sons are relocating to Florida... and taking the family business with them.
Higher taxes drive small company out of Buffalo (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/682828.html - broken link)
After lifetimes in the Buffalo area, Bell and her two sons will move to northern Florida by December.
The hit is far worse than just three more people joining the steady stream of upstaters who have fled New York over the years: The Bells are taking their company with them to a part of the country not only with lower taxes, but also with wide-open arms from officials who enthusiastically courted them.
Everything is a talking point.
That's how you operate. You need to learn about life and take part instead of living your life through politicians.
This is what happens when a black liberal voter gets control of the White House..
Yeah, you were racist, so I'm just returning the favor
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/budgetChartbook/Images/federal-spending_10-850.jpg (broken link)
The Denver Post article doesn't tell the whole story, so here is the background.
COLO SPGS Mayor Rivera and cronies cut a back room deal to keep the US Olympic Committee in COLO SPGS. The USOC has been here for decades, but shopped themselves around for a new home, i.e., the usual game of playing one city against another to get a sweetheart deal. Mayor Rivera (GOP), et al, got sucked into the black hole of "we gotta keep these jobs here" so they cut a deal to spend $53M of taxpayer money to rehab a large downtown office building to be used as the USOC home office. There were some investigations of illegal maneuvers and such, but nothing came of it. Still, most citizens think the deal stinks to high heavens. It was not voter-approved.
At the same time, city sales tax revenues are way off due to the recession. Between lower sales tax revenues and the USOC deal, the city ran short of money. A ballot referendum item was generated to raise taxes to cover the shortfall, with the usual threat of "approve this tax increase or we'll shut the parks, cut the PD, FD and cut bus service too. Voter anger over the USOC deal was targeted against the ballot item which was voted down. Now the cuts to basic and essential city services are coming.
That being said, the story and thread make more sense, it just isn't a sudden outburst of conservative anger. Without the USOC deal in the mix, the city could have weathered the budget crisis without such drastic measures. The city is further hamstrung in financial matters by both state and city Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) laws that prohibit stashing away money in a rainy day fund, which many states use to ease the impacts from occasional recessions.
IMO, anti-tax laws like TABOR are ill-conceived, they crudely take a meat axe to the revenue side of the ledger without regard to economic forces (recessions) or any focus on the expenditure side where spending can me managed.
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This is what happens when a black liberal voter gets control of the White House..
