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Old 02-01-2010, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Seems that water vapor and methane have a huge impact on global warming, and CO2 has a negligible affect. From 2000 thru 2009, water vapor concentrations in the stratosphere decreased by about 10% which acted to cool global surface temperatures by about 25%.

Meanwhile, other data suggests that water vapor concentrations in the stratosphere increased between 1980 and 2000, which would have enhanced the warming during the 1990s by about 30%. Water vapor clearly represents an important driving force for global climate, not CO2.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1182488

You can read for yourself, they do not quite understand it all yet, but one thing is for sure, this won't matter to the global warming hoaxers, oh no. Even though CO2 levels have been rising steadily the earth's climate has gotten cooler and warmer, and cooler, and water vapor may be the culprit, they will still claim CO2 is the villain, because these hoaxers need their grants to continue, and the federal taxpayer dollars need to keep funding their phony baloney jobs.


Ahhh, there is the culprit!!!

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Water vapour is a major cause of global warming and cooling find scientists - Telegraph

The new research by US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is published in the journal Science, one of the most respected in the world.

Susan Solomon, who led the research and worked on the IPCC, said climate scientists need to take into account the effect of water vapour high in the atmosphere when studying global warming.
“Current climate models do a remarkable job on water vapour near the surface. But this is different — it’s a thin wedge of the upper atmosphere that packs a wallop from one decade to the next in a way we didn’t expect,”
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Um,

You do understand chemistry don't you?

Are you breathing? You have just created CO2. Also, do you have any electrical appliances in your home? If so, then you are burning coal, and making CO2.

Saying that we aren't making it, is well, wrong.

Is it causing global warming, and if it is, can we do anything about it, those are different questions all together.

Man creates CO2, that fact is not disputable.
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Um,

You do understand chemistry don't you?

Are you breathing? You have just created CO2. Also, do you have any electrical appliances in your home? If so, then you are burning coal, and making CO2.

Saying that we aren't making it, is well, wrong.

Is it causing global warming, and if it is, can we do anything about it, those are different questions all together.

Man creates CO2, that fact is not disputable.
Where did i say man does not create it? I merely say that you can stick a fork into the idea that man-made CO2 adds to the cause of global warming.
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Where did i say man does not create it? I merely say that you can stick a fork into the idea that man-made CO2 adds little to the effect to the cause of global warming.
The title of the thread is "Stick a fork in man-made CO2 - Its done"
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The title of the thread is "Stick a fork in man-made CO2 - Its done"
Sorry about that, i did not think people would have assumed that. I simply did not have enough room to fit it all in it, and if you read my post you would not have assumed i meant humans do not create CO2, that's a bit ridiculous.
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Default Man-Made CO2 Sticks Fork in Atmosphere

Hmmm - let's look at what the author of the report REALLY says as opposed to what the OP says:

“This doesn’t alter the fundamental conclusion that the world has warmed and that most of that warming has to do with greenhouse gas emissions caused by man,” said Susan Solomon, a climate scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the lead author of the report, which appears in the Jan. 29 issue of the journal Science.
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Um,

You do understand chemistry don't you?

Are you breathing? You have just created CO2. Also, do you have any electrical appliances in your home? If so, then you are burning coal, and making CO2.

Saying that we aren't making it, is well, wrong.

Is it causing global warming, and if it is, can we do anything about it, those are different questions all together.

Man creates CO2, that fact is not disputable.
And did you know that when you fart you create methane gas?
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Hmmm - let's look at what the author of the report REALLY says as opposed to what the OP says:

“This doesn’t alter the fundamental conclusion that the world has warmed and that most of that warming has to do with greenhouse gas emissions caused by man,” said Susan Solomon, a climate scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the lead author of the report, which appears in the Jan. 29 issue of the journal Science.
Of course she says that, she works for the government, she wants to keep her phony baloney job.

These scientists have not been able to accurately measure water vapor in the atmosphere. so how have then been so easily ruling out water vapor as causing warming, if they have not been able to measure it in the past?

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NCDC: Greenhouse Gases (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html - broken link)

Also, while we have good atmospheric measurements of other key greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane, we have poor measurements of global water vapor, so it is not certain by how much atmospheric concentrations have risen in recent decades or centuries, though satellite measurements, combined with balloon data and some in-situ ground measurements indicate generally positive trends in global water vapor.
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Of course she says that, she works for the government, she wants to keep her phony baloney job.

These scientists have not been able to accurately measure water vapor in the atmosphere. so how have then been so easily ruling out water vapor as causing warming, if they have not been able to measure it in the past?
Let's see - she wrote the report, and then says that it doesn't alter the conclusion that man-made CO2 still is causing warming.

I am not an expert on climate change, and my guess is that neither are you.

But, she is.

If she wanted to lie about climate change, I am certain she would receive plenty of financial backing from Exxon-Mobil or the Clean Coal Industry to support that conclusion.

As is, she is just a Civil Servant who cannot receive outside payments for work performed, and whose career could be ruined for faking or lying about data. As a Civil Servant, there are no incentives to lie, only to perform research in search of the truth. If anything, the government has historically avoided such controversial research so as not to upset potential corporate donors from the energy industry.
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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Stick a fork in man-made CO2 - Its done.
Does this mean no more global warming threads?
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