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2. We would like to emphasize that Israeli law strictly forbids all forms of torture or maltreatment. The Israeli Penal Code (1977) prohibits the use of force or violence against a person for the purpose of extorting from him a confession to an offence or information relating to an offence. Israel has signed and ratified the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.
However even if it forbids torture, anyway most prisons around the world practise torture in some way or another even though it could be illegal by law there. I dont think there is any nation around the world prisons that have never practised a form of torture in its prisons
Guess you say Hamas can do no wrong eh
Human Rights Watch has condemned the radical group Hamas, saying the group killed, tortured and maimed at least 32 Palestinian political opponents and suspected collaborators during the Israeli siege of the Gaza Strip in January.
In a new 26-page report, "Under Cover of War: Hamas Political Violence in Gaza," the rights organization claims that between Dec. 27, 2008, and Jan. 18, 2009, Hamas security forces executed 18 men, most believed to have been Israeli collaborators. Another 14 men, many of them alleged political opponents, have been killed since late January.
“During Israel’s attack on Gaza, Hamas moved violently against its political opponents and those deemed collaborators with Israeli forces,” said Joe Stork, deputy director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division. “The unlawful arrests, torture and killings in detention continued even after the fighting stopped, mocking Hamas’ claims to uphold the law.” GAZA: Hamas blamed for executions | Babylon & Beyond | Los Angeles Times
Hamas makes mistakes, but please stop believing these meaningless laws about torture, because Israel does not follow it, they treat their prisoners inhumanely, if you don't believe me, then please go to Gaza and the West Bank and see everything for yourself.
Hamas makes mistakes, but please stop believing these meaningless laws about torture, because Israel does not follow it, they treat their prisoners inhumanely, if you don't believe me, then please go to Gaza and the West Bank and see everything for yourself.
suicide bombings and launching rockets are mistakes? Can you explain your liberal "logic" to me? Or should I get wasted so I can understand you better?
Why don't the Palestinians in Israel proper have the same issues as Gazans? They live amongst the Jews. Not to start another thread within this one. But do you think the African Americans in the US are all treated well (especially in the poorer urban areas)?
Arabs in general face prosecution from Jews and from the Israeli government sometimes. As for the African Americans, they're not treated well but they're still respected and have rights, if you defend Israel so much then go to Gaza and the West Bank and see everything for yourself.
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Lets stay with Gaza for the moment.
How would you propose for the Jews to feel secure in their homes outside of Gaza?
The Jews have a government that oppresses their Arab neighbors, the question is how would you propose for the Palestinians to feel secure in Gaza and West Bank from the Israeli army who are unpredictable. How can they protect themselves if an attack similar to the Gaza attacks happen again.
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Or how about the person living across the street from you decides to shoot out the windows on your car and your house? You ask her why and says because you get your mail delivered before she does. Ok you call the PO and ask them to deliver on her side first. It gets done. Next day she is shooting at your house again. And again you ask her again why. And she says the trash collectors smile at you and doesnt smile at her. You call up the trash company and ask them to be nicer to her and smile. Next day they smile at her. A few minutes after they pass she pulls out her gun and starts again. At some time you're going to figure out the diplomacy & talking in not working. So you then call the Police, but you tell them not to harm her. So they come and she is shooting at you again. So they sit on your front lawn shooting back at her windows. So at what point can they go in and arrest her and finally stop the shooting?
Stop defending Israel, because Hamas only killed 13 civilians in 2 weeks, and Israel killed 1,400 in 2 weeks while using white phosphorus, you count the casualties from the year 2000 and you would find that more Palestinians got killed and injured, there's a huge difference.
suicide bombings and launching rockets are mistakes? Can you explain your liberal "logic" to me? Or should I get wasted so I can understand you better?
In the end, both sides make mistakes, but Israel makes bigger mistakes.
Why don't the Palestinians in Israel proper have the same issues as Gazans? They live amongst the Jews. Not to start another thread within this one. But do you think the African Americans in the US are all treated well (especially in the poorer urban areas)?
Lets stay with Gaza for the moment.
How would you propose for the Jews to feel secure in their homes outside of Gaza?
Or how about the person living across the street from you decides to shoot out the windows on your car and your house? You ask her why and says because you get your mail delivered before she does. Ok you call the PO and ask them to deliver on her side first. It gets done. Next day she is shooting at your house again. And again you ask her again why. And she says the trash collectors smile at you and doesnt smile at her. You call up the trash company and ask them to be nicer to her and smile. Next day they smile at her. A few minutes after they pass she pulls out her gun and starts again. At some time you're going to figure out the diplomacy & talking in not working. So you then call the Police, but you tell them not to harm her. So they come and she is shooting at you again. So they sit on your front lawn shooting back at her windows. So at what point can they go in and arrest her and finally stop the shooting?
Arabs in general face prosecution from Jews and from the Israeli government sometimes. As for the African Americans, they're not treated well but they're still respected and have rights, if you defend Israel so much then go to Gaza and the West Bank and see everything for yourself.
The Jews have a government that oppresses their Arab neighbors, the question is how would you propose for the Palestinians to feel secure in Gaza and West Bank from the Israeli army who are unpredictable. How can they protect themselves if an attack similar to the Gaza attacks happen again.
Stop defending Israel, because Hamas only killed 13 civilians in 2 weeks, and Israel killed 1,400 in 2 weeks while using white phosphorus, you count the casualties from the year 2000 and you would find that more Palestinians got killed and injured, there's a huge difference.
And Jordan killed far more Palestinians than 1400 back in 1970, yet you dont' care the slightest bit about that. In fact, J ordan killed more Palestinians in 1970, than Israel has in 40 years.
Joan - Its a hypothetical question. I've only taken out Jew and Palestinian. Whats the problem?
How about the person living across the street from you decides to shoot out the windows on your car and your house? You ask her why and says because you get your mail delivered before she does. Ok you call the PO and ask them to deliver on her side first. It gets done. Next day she is shooting at your house again. And again you ask her again why. And she says the trash collectors smile at you and doesnt smile at her. You call up the trash company and ask them to be nicer to her and smile. Next day they smile at her. A few minutes after they pass she pulls out her gun and starts again. At some time you're going to figure out the diplomacy & talking in not working. So you then call the Police, but you tell them not to harm her. So they come and she is shooting at you again. So they sit on your front lawn shooting back at her windows. So at what point can they go in and arrest her and finally stop the shooting?
And Jordan killed far more Palestinians than 1400 back in 1970, yet you dont' care the slightest bit about that. In fact, Jordan killed more Palestinians in 1970, than Israel has in 40 years.
But since they aren't Jews, you don't care.
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) tried several attempts to assassinate the king in 1970. The Palestinians attempted to create a state from 1968 through the middle of 1971. They took over Irbid and claimed it as their own. They (& Syria) attacked Jordan from within. There was deaths on both sides. The Palestinians did the same thing in Jordan as they are trying to do in Israel. This was Arab vs Arab situation, thus not getting much attention.
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