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Old 02-02-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Simply an utter take down of the right wing myth that only "citizens" have Constitutional rights.

After you read this, you almost feel sorry for these right wing dupes who can't hold a candle to this writer when it comes to expert analysis of Constitutional matters.

Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
So freedom of speech, and other Constitutional rights in this country apply to the governments of foreign countries and their citizens, and not just for people who are US citizens?
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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As usual, your news source is completely wrong.
You inhabit a fascinating, yet scary world.

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People who join the military actually are not afforded "Constitutional protection".. Have you ever heard of a military trial?
If only that was covered somewhere in the Constitution. Say, if someone had written something like "except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger" into the Fifth. What a tragic lack of foresight.

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There are times that the Constitutional protection does not even protect our own citizens let alone terrorists..
Actually, no, not really. Military trials are specifically covered in the Fifth. The "terrorist exception clause" only exist in certain right-winger fantasies.

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Boy that didnt take long to dispute
Sure has the hallmarks of a rushed job.

Last edited by Dane_in_LA; 02-02-2010 at 10:57 AM.. Reason: Too early for HTML - and, apparently, spelling.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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padcrasher seems to ignore the word "Creator" specifically written in the DoI.
The Declaration Of Independence does ineed say that. It says :

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


All men are created equal....... but now of course the activist judges decided that it really means "all men, and corporations" are created equal and have equal rights endowned by the Creator himself.

So, we know what Jefferson and other founding fathers said about the rights and who should have them: all men.

And yes, "all men" in DOI and "all persons" in The Constitution mean all human beings subject to US law, not just US Citizens. And they do not apply to corporations of any nationality.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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So freedom of speech rights in this country apply to the governments of foreign countries and their citizens, and not just for people who are US citizens?
Speaking as a foreign citizen residing in the US, I am happy to report that for individuals, at least, this is the case.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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that's why it is still the THEORY of evolution


here is a question

if evolution exists......where are the societies of the mutations
You live in one. Homo Sapiens is an aggregate of mutations that increased (or at least ddin't decrease) our survival chances.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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You inhabit a fascinating, yet scary world.

If only that was covered somewhere in the Constitution. Say, if someone had written something like "except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger" into the Fifth. What a tragic lack of foresight.

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There are times that the Constitutional protection does not even protect our own citizens let alone terrorists..
Actually, no, not really. Military trials are specifically covered in the Fifth. The "terrorist exception caluse" only exist in certain right-winger fantasies.

Sure has the hallmarks of a rushed job.
its a shame you spent all that time disputing something, and you were STILL wrong.. 100% WRONG

Does the U.S. Constitution apply to military personnel?

In some areas, such as right to counsel and rights (Miranda) warnings, military personnel have broader protections than those contained in the Constitution. In other areas such as search and seizure, they have reduced expectations of privacy and fewer protections.

Will you come back and admit you were wrong? I doubt it.. If you disagree, take it up with the Sureme Court..
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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So freedom of speech, and other Constitutional rights in this country apply to the governments of foreign countries and their citizens, and not just for people who are US citizens?
Oh for pete sake! That is NOT what is being said. If an non-citizen is in this country, that non-citizen is as protected by our Constitution as you are. Just as you would not be protected by the US Constitution should you be accused of a crime while in China or even Italy. You would be held under their laws and subjected to their judicial and/or penal sysatem.
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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Sorry, but you are understanding the point incorrectly. The point is that one does not have to be a citizen to be covered under the constitutional protections of this country. One needs only to be IN this country. No one was talking about the military. That's an entirely different subject altogether.
The terrorist over detroit was never in this country.
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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The terrorist over detroit was never in this country.
The plane was in US air space - that means it was in this country.
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: NC USA
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Do you believe in praying for the health of the British Monarchy? If not, I guess things have changed in the last 250 years!
Did they believe in Christ? Yes! So they were Christians - can it be made any more simple for you?
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