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I don't remember whether you are on SS or not but for some reason at the beginning of this year my Medicare taxes went up nearly $10 and my SS payment stayed where it was other than the extra Medicare payment that is deducted from it monthly. Can you tell me if we retired people pay more than others do for Medicare? At my house I find that I pay more than my wife, or either of my sons pay. This is considered a payroll tax for workers but for we of the SS crowd it is just an added tax.
How do you not get this? Your Medicare went up because health care costs continue to increase. Your SS did not go up because it's based on the cost of living and, despite the increase in health care cost, overall the cost of living did not go up. Probably has something to do with the housing crash. It's all no different for you than anyone else. We are all paying more for health care, most of us didn't get raises.
You pay more for Medicare because you are the one using it now. It's you insurance payment. Those who aren't retired pay over their working lives as a down payment on the health care they will get when they are on Medicare. You and your son are paying two different things.
Improving the whole by bringing down the top has never worked. Ever. I understand why it's a popular idea, though. So much easier to break down than to build up.
Equality of condition is what was attempted to get popular support in the Soviet Union and it took 70 years to overthrow that dictatorship of the proletariat. Too many don't know that that dictatorship is not supposed to wither and die as they say it will.
So many important people of various governments have said over and over that once you spend all of the upper class's money you will be unable to sustain any more government spending.
simple the fair tax....a 23% constumption tax (sales tax) on everything new, with a poverty line 'rebate'
fairtax.org
Most people aren't going to look there since they remember what the proposed flat tax years ago and didn't like it. The Fair Tax is just that but most people, especially those who wouldn't end up paying any tax because of prebates, will never study it to determine if it might work.
The Feb 1 story headlined "Backdoor taxes to hit middle class" is wrong and has been withdrawn. The story said lower-income families will pay more under tax provisions scheduled to expire Dec 31. The Obama administration's budget calls for the extension of those tax provisions for households earning less than $250,000. There will be no substitute story.
Uh, yeah.....they want more money for silly things like food, clothes and a safe place to live. The less your income, the higher percent of your income those things take up. The concept of the progressive tax is that the income above that necessary for food, clothes and a safe place to live is disposable and thus more morally subject to taxation. Check out a Tax Rate Schedule. Everyone pays the same rate, it's just that the higher you go on the schedule, the higher the taxes are. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf -- go to the last page -- page 101
Don't forget....the table applies to "taxable income" -- income after deductions, exemptions and adjustments -- not total income.
In talking about deductions for necessaries you sound like you know about the Fair Tax. Do you like the sound of it?
This is exactly what this administration is doing. They have an agenda all right, you said it Bring the top down, to make room so that the bottom can be brought up. Amazing is it not.
What you just described is what I call equality of condition. The system we have lived with all these years is equality of opportunity. One of those says that everybody should be equal in money and things no matter that some work hard to support the others. One of them says that everybody has a right to make as much as he can with the abilities he has.
Which of these ideas about equality is Obama's idea?
Let me say that socialists of all stripes want equality of condition, before you answer that question. It is exactly that equality of condition that Obama is pushing on us that makes me not like him and his group.
As the president of this country, with experts far more versed in the economy than any of you, I trust that his moves are the best for the country. You sideline critics don't have a clue. It's very different now that Republicans and the village idiot are not running the country.
President Obama is getting it done...and don't you forget it either.
Getting it done? Are you saying that he is managing to change our system of equality of opportunity to one of equality of condition. That is what his change is aimed at as long as he is the head man. I wonder how many years that could be with people like you being involved.
This is only way for our debt problem to be brought under control, the only issue is the current turds in Congress cannot do it. I don't see them being able to either without term limits or a President that is serious about cutting spending.
The President wants to get people back to work but never addresses the fact that jobs follow the economy. In an effort to 'progess' our country actions Obama whats to take hurt the economy therefore never allowing unemployment to recover. Course he knows this, but in a progressive's ideal world everyone works for the government so...
Have you ever heard of the beliefs of Cloward and Piven? How about Saul Alinsky? They proposed that if you destroy the economy of a nation you can take over control of it. Reid-Pelosi-Obama seem to be trying for that by using the strategies of Alinsky.
How do you not get this? Your Medicare went up because health care costs continue to increase. Your SS did not go up because it's based on the cost of living and, despite the increase in health care cost, overall the cost of living did not go up. Probably has something to do with the housing crash. It's all no different for you than anyone else. We are all paying more for health care, most of us didn't get raises.
You pay more for Medicare because you are the one using it now. It's you insurance payment. Those who aren't retired pay over their working lives as a down payment on the health care they will get when they are on Medicare. You and your son are paying two different things.
I understand what you are trying to say but wondered how many people do. However, the price of groceries hasn't dropped, just the opposite. The price of gasoline has not dropped, just the opposite. If I got a COLA all those years I really don't see the difference in now and 5 years ago. Well the fact that Obamacare called for taking $50 billion annually from Medicare makes me wonder just who gets to pay the bill for the new program. Can you explain that to me as well as my question? Maybe Zeke Emanuel was involved in that decision to let the old geezers pay for those not on insurance now.
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