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Old 02-03-2010, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'd rather pay for healthcare through taxes than through private premiums. With the former there are no deductibles, no co-pays, no ceilings, no pre-existing condition exclusions, and if you are out of work or change employers you are still covered.

I will say this though, there are SOME co-pays in some systems but a lot of times they are waived for the poor.
I believe in Germany and France there are co-pays.
For the Brits, I believe they pay a small fee for their prescriptions.
I watched a DVD by Frontline that profiled universal health care systems and I read the book:Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care (9781594202346): T. R. Reid: Books GREAT read! Makes you jealous of citizens of other countries.
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Health insurance should not be tied to employment status.

I think many people are sadly finding this out the hard way....
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Yes
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Currently have decent insurance through the private company I work for. Luckily, if I decide I want to quit, I have a degree in education so I can go find a teaching job within a 1 1/2 years (of COBRA) and be good to go again as far as group insurance. Excellent group insurance at that. It's nice being a government employee when it comes to insurance .

Now if I could not find a teaching job or any other job that offered insurance (or if I could not find any job and therefore could not go out and buy my own insurance for my family) after 1 1/2 years of COBRA ... better believe I would consider moving to Canada. Would much rather be jobless/underemployed and still be able to get covered health care, than be jobless/underemployed and the opposite.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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America's race to the bottom. Service type jobs are the future.
I get that. But the correlation between the "race to the bottom" and public options? Maybe I misread somthing...
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I get that. But the correlation between the "race to the bottom" and public options? Maybe I misread somthing...
If more people end up with low paying jobs..who will foot the bills for the public option ?

As the imbalance of wealth grows larger there will be more people needing subsidies and less people to pay taxes.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Yes
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If more people end up with low paying jobs..who will foot the bills for the public option ? (A)

As the imbalance of wealth grows larger there will be more people needing subsidies and less people to pay taxes. (B)
A) If we implemented a true single-payer system, I would say that all people would have to pay some portion in. It wouldn't be like federal income taxes, where many under a certain margin do not pay.

B) The rich will obviously pay more in. Socialist yes. Better system for health insurance, yes.

Both of those are not effected by a supposed ever-growing lower class. Each single-payer yearly budget should be paid for by variable tax rates to meet need.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A) If we implemented a true single-payer system, I would say that all people would have to pay some portion in. It wouldn't be like federal income taxes, where many under a certain margin do not pay.

B) The rich will obviously pay more in. Socialist yes. Better system for health insurance, yes.

Both of those are not effected by a supposed ever-growing lower class. Each single-payer yearly budget should be paid for by variable tax rates to meet need.
With healthcare costs going up by double digits each year while salaries stagnate the payment would become prohibitive to some..just like today. Someone has to cover the costs even with a Public Option.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I know too many people who stick with an employer just because of the health coverage and the fear of losing it. Employer based coverage stifles mobility, initiative, and entrepreneurialism.
Blame the unions. That's one of the trophies they're most proud of.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If more people end up with low paying jobs..who will foot the bills for the public option ?

As the imbalance of wealth grows larger there will be more people needing subsidies and less people to pay taxes.
If that is the case, then who will pay for the private plans? Your view suggests that everyone will be broke. The public option was not meant to be paid by tax payer either, but by the individual, but if you have so little faith in US in general, then I don't see how you think anyone will be able to pay for anything.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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If that is the case, then who will pay for the private plan? Your view suggests that everyone will be broke. The public option was not meant to be paid by tax payer either, but by the individual, but if you have so little faith in US in general, then I don't see how you think anyone will be able to pay for anything.
Maybe China will pay for it.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Maybe China will pay for it.
Or, maybe the poster has an overly negative view of the Unites States, and we are not all ending up with minimum wage after all.
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