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This is why living wills are critical for people of any age. Death is unpleasant, but it has to be considered to some extent. By the way, the whole "death panel" myth was about doctors helping patients make informed decisions about the kind of situations which you are describing.
It's irrelevant to ask me what I would do -- it's not my decision. The decision would belong to his designated guardian or, barring that, his next of kin.
I think you should reread what I wrote. Because everything I said is in agreeance with you.
I am for letting people die(murder/abortion) for "compassionate" reasons. But I don't believe the same should be allowed for selfish or irresponsible reasons.
However, there are birth defects, where children are literally born with no brain, just a stem. They aren't alive. They can also be born with no skull, which means certain death for the child.
Do you still oppose abortion in those cases?
There is no way, I could ever tell a 12 year old girl, who has already gone through the traumatic experience of being raped by her father, that she must now go through the experience of giving birth to that child.
I can understand the option in severe cases, but the out and out abolishment is evil, in my opinion.
But thank you for sharing your choice.
Actually, I still do oppose abortion in those cases. I really get that a child raped by a parent is going through some of the worst trauma in the world and I certainly can understand that. I just don't feel that we have the right to end the unborn child's life for something he/she had no control over. Even if that child has a diminished quality of life.
I worked for many years with society's "throwaway" people, folks with MR, major disabilities and other issues. IMHO, that job was the best experience I have ever had. It kept me humble and grateful. My clients were the nicest, most kind hearted people I've ever met. Can you imagine a world without people like that? I can't. We all need a kick in the butt sometimes and how those people carried on with such dignity and grace I'll never know. I'm not half as good on my best days and I'm "normal". Most of them didn't even have IQ's over 70.
But thank you for respecting my opinion. I honestly thought I might be raked over the coals for my beliefs like I usually am, but you were very kind.
I think you should reread what I wrote. Because everything I said is in agreeance with you.
I am for letting people die(murder/abortion) for "compassionate" reasons. But I don't believe the same should be allowed for selfish or irresponsible reasons.
The only thing I see wrong with what you're saying, is that women will just say they are raped. Its not like its something thats easy to determine. The ladies can simply say "I didn't want to report the rape, but I just missed my period" and you wouldn't deny it, or find proof for or against the rape.
The only thing, that form of legal abortion would do, is to secure an exponential increase in reported rape.
abortions and the reasons for it are as individual as the woman who has the choice. if her choice is abortion, it is between her, her god if she has one and her doctor. we can speculate, arm chair quarter back, about her circumstances all we like. we can approve of her morality or not, approve of time frame or not. none of that matters, it is not our life, nor our body. woman have the right to privacy. plain and simple, it is none of your business why and when some random woman has an abortion or not. your morality of her life means nothing to her. it is her life to lead not a "collective ours" to put restrictions on the time or the reason.
she can carry a pregnancy to term or not, it is her choice. her reasons are none of our business.
Actually, I still do oppose abortion in those cases. I really get that a child raped by a parent is going through some of the worst trauma in the world and I certainly can understand that. I just don't feel that we have the right to end the unborn child's life for something he/she had no control over. Even if that child has a diminished quality of life.
I worked for many years with society's "throwaway" people, folks with MR, major disabilities and other issues. IMHO, that job was the best experience I have ever had. It kept me humble and grateful. My clients were the nicest, most kind hearted people I've ever met. Can you imagine a world without people like that? I can't. We all need a kick in the butt sometimes and how those people carried on with such dignity and grace I'll never know. I'm not half as good on my best days and I'm "normal". Most of them didn't even have IQ's over 70.
But thank you for respecting my opinion. I honestly thought I might be raked over the coals for my beliefs like I usually am, but you were very kind.
Its easy to understand your view. I'm sure it is founded on a deep religious belief. If someone has that much belief in any one thing, its pointless to "rake you over the coals" for it. I completely disagree with your opinion, and I could use countless adjectives to try and punish you for your opinion, but really, what would be the point of that? I don't bring this subject to get some sense of vindication, or to punish, I just find it interesting.
At least you replied, I find those who vote "no" on this kind of issue, and then don't have the spine to back it up, in a public format, then they should be raked over the coals.
All and all, we live in a free society. No one should be ashamed of their choice, whatever the basis is for their choice.
The only thing I see wrong with what you're saying, is that women will just say they are raped. Its not like its something thats easy to determine. The ladies can simply say "I didn't want to report the rape, but I just missed my period" and you wouldn't deny it, or find proof for or against the rape.
The only thing, that form of legal abortion would do, is to secure an exponential increase in reported rape.
They should be required to have reported a rape to the police. All rapes should be reported to the police. The vast majority of rapes are perpetrated by someone you know. So, it should be pretty easy for a woman to know who the rapist/father of her child is. If she chooses to not turn in her attacker because she doesn't want to get him in trouble. Then she should be responsible for her decision, and should not be awarded an abortion.
If a woman is found to be lying about a rape to the police, that is already a crime. And she can be put in jail for that false accusation.
I am glad everything worked out for you, and that you have 2 healthy children. I am a little confused though. Did the doctors suggest terminating your pregnancies, or are you saying that as you had issues you may have decided to terminate your pregnancies yourself? Sorry, I just wasn't sure. In all the years I have worked in maternal child health I have never heard of a doctor recommending a termination based on the possibility of Mental Retardation, so I was just curious.
I have seen doctor's recommend terminations for specific conditions, such as Tay-Sachs, or Edwards Syndrome (Trisomy 18), but never for a vague suspicion.
I started to feel a vague pressure from the docs and abortion did come up once, I believe, as a "choice". The whole experience left me feeling that it was one, a way for the docs to gather information for a study of some sort, and a two, that the focus was on me only and not the health and well being of my baby. Matter or fact, all they kept talking about was possible disorders my baby could have. And every test came back as a possible problem. Nothing concrete. The experience gave me and my husband the willies. The tests became more and more invasive and scary. That is went I stopped the whole thing.
I spoke with my co-worker who went through the same experience and she felt the same way as I did. I don't know what her beliefs were in terms of abortion. We never discussed it.
I recently talked with my children's doctor who is having her first and she is outright refusing the initial testing the doc told me I "had" to have. Good for her! I hope they never get to scare anyone else like they did us.
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I voted the second option but I'm against abortions for birth defects. Only rape/incest cases and when the mother's health is at risk are valid reasons for abortions.
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What flavor of abortion do I favor? Pistachio or strawberry!
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