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Old 02-12-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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This is why:

"Larson said the Army had evidence that Hutchinson, regardless of her family situation, would have resisted deploying "by any means."

She had a responsibility to the rest of her platoon. What did she think she was signing up for?
With that in mind, do you want her in the field where real soldiers lives could depend on her?

Whether or not she would have resisted in a different situation is moot since she is in this particular situation.

Personally I'd put my life in the hands of one real soldier than in the hands of 100 benefit seekers.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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For one reason, it's an all volunteer military.
Secondly, the article states that she said she wasn't going no matter what.
You take an oath; you live by it.

This is not WWII.
Seriously.
Now lets review:


Go back and read the first two words of my post..."Even in". Now please stop reading in what's not there and try to read what is.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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Its the army. You don't get to pick and choose where you go.

And what is a single parent with no-one to care for the child doing in the army anyway?
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Earth
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With that in mind, do you want her in the field where real soldiers lives could depend on her?

Whether or not she would have resisted in a different situation is moot since she is in this particular situation.

Personally I'd put my life in the hands of one real soldier than in the hands of 100 benefit seekers.
You think most soldiers aren't benefit seekers?
Almost everyone looks at the economics before they sign on the line.

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Now lets review:

Go back and read the first two words of my post..."Even in". Now please stop reading in what's not there and try to read what is.
"Even in" infers comparison.
The Army 70 years ago is not the Army of today.
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Because it gives CD members a chance to express opinion on a variety of topics like this woman's personal case and her motives or not. The decision of the military to not court martial.

It also gives the opportunity to discuss single parent status, where is the father in all this? The article stated 5% of listed personel are single parents. Are the military rules fair as is both for the military and enlisting people regarding parenting or should it be changed? Should single parents not be allowed to enlist? Was the military's decision to lenient?

All these things can be discussed.

I cannot feel sorry for her, because these people hands are not being tied down, to serve, they know what they are getting themelves in for when they sign up. She should have worried about the welfare of the child, when she signed up FOR THE JOB. This tells me one thing, single parents, should think long and hard before signing up to serve.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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"Even in" infers comparison.
The Army 70 years ago is not the Army of today.
Gee. Ya think?

Perhaps you really are an expert on military law and policy so please enlighten us all with the changes in such matters that have been made.

You also claim that "Almost everyone looks at the economics before they sign on the line." Do you have anything to substantiate that claim? Can you back that up or are you stating your opinion as fact?
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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Gee. Ya think?

Perhaps you really are an expert on military law and policy so please enlighten us all with the changes in such matters that have been made.

You also claim that "Almost everyone looks at the economics before they sign on the line." Do you have anything to substantiate that claim? Can you back that up or are you stating your opinion as fact?
You're the one comparing WWII to today.

Since I work on an Army base, I'm a little closer to the ground than you are.
Everyone looks at every job with an economic focus.
From the whining I hear, they didn't look too hard.

Are they serving for free?
Not from the AFAP meetings I attend.

Are you saying that people don't look at the money they're going to make? The educational benefits? The free health care?
That's what recruiters talk with them about.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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I cannot feel sorry for her, because these people hands are not being tied down, to serve, they know what they are getting themelves in for when they sign up. She should have worried about the welfare of the child, when she signed up FOR THE JOB. This tells me one thing, single parents, should think long and hard before signing up to serve.
Did you read the article? She joined the Army in 2007 and her son is 13 months old so she had her child after signing up.

She had a plan for the child and it fell through. Do you expect her to allow her child to go into foster care?

Your kids comes first. I dont care if you are in the military or not.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Gee. Ya think?

Perhaps you really are an expert on military law and policy so please enlighten us all with the changes in such matters that have been made.

You also claim that "Almost everyone looks at the economics before they sign on the line." Do you have anything to substantiate that claim? Can you back that up or are you stating your opinion as fact?

You think people sign up for the military for the hell of it? I am sure some people do but in the end it is a job and they are doing it for the benefits and the paycheck list most people do.

I went through the recruiting process back in high school and practically the only thing really discussed was money and benefits.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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Did you read the article? She joined the Army in 2007 and her son is 13 months old so she had her child after signing up.

She had a plan for the child and it fell through. Do you expect her to allow her child to go into foster care?

Your kids comes first. I dont care if you are in the military or not.
As was discussed in the other thread on this topic, she signed a contract.
From the article linked in the OP, she had plans to never deploy, no matter what.
She's responsible for having a backup plan that's doable.
She has responsibilities when she takes the oath.

You don't just go AWOL because of whatever reason.
The child has a father; she could have applied for discharge.
Instead she went AWOL.
It costs a heck of a lot of money and is a big mess logistically for one person when they are absent without leave.
Armed Forces Network has PSAs on a regular basis about not showing up for deployment and what can happen to you.
She was informed.
She made a choice.
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