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Old 09-18-2011, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Many do work hard but hard work is no guarantee of anything these days. Many people worked hard and you know where they ended up? In the unemployment line because they got laid off. In the places I worked the employees work harder then the managers. The managers just stand around or sit in their office.

There are no guarantees in life for anybody.

Those who work hard and live within their means have a much greater chance at success than those who do not.

Too bad you have worked in places with lousy management. Those places usually fail at some point.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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There are no guarantees in life for anybody.

Those who work hard and live within their means have a much greater chance at success than those who do not.

Too bad you have worked in places with lousy management. Those places usually fail at some point.

One of the places I worked did fail completely shut down and how the managers treated the employees I was not surprised. You are right that if you work harder there is a greater chance but it still does not guarantee that your employer will recognize you.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Unfortunately thats just flat out wrong. You may have had bad experiences, and who knows, maybe you just dont provide what your employers are looking for, but if all businesses treated employees like you claim to have been treated, they would all be out of business because the cost of constantly rehiring and retraining would become too excessive.

So why do companies that pay min wage like fast food places and restaurants have high turnover? They do treat them that way because they know if that employee leaves there are 10 more people needing a job who will take that job.Again nowadays many companies(not all) think of their employees as just a warm body to do a job. Companies make enough money from paying employees so low that the cost of rehiring new employees are nothing to them.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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So why do companies that pay min wage like fast food places and restaurants have high turnover? They do treat them that way because they know if that employee leaves there are 10 more people needing a job who will take that job.Again nowadays many companies(not all) think of their employees as just a warm body to do a job. Companies make enough money from paying employees so low that the cost of rehiring new employees are nothing to them.
Do you offer the said employees an alternative? How much do you pay your employees?
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Old 09-18-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So why do companies that pay min wage like fast food places and restaurants have high turnover? They do treat them that way because they know if that employee leaves there are 10 more people needing a job who will take that job.Again nowadays many companies(not all) think of their employees as just a warm body to do a job. Companies make enough money from paying employees so low that the cost of rehiring new employees are nothing to them.
That's because it's unskilled work. No college degree, no experience, just show up and mop that floor, lift those boxes or flip that burger.

Guaranteed that experienced college educated engineers aren't treated like that in their jobs.

The more skill you have, the better the job you can obtain and the more you will be valued by your employer and the more money you can make.

One has to invest in themselves (education, learning a skill/trade) if they want to make themselves better. They shouldn't be just sitting there whining that they don't make enough money and that "someone" needs to do something about it.
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Old 09-18-2011, 03:55 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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That's because it's unskilled work. No college degree, no experience, just show up and mop that floor, lift those boxes or flip that burger.

Guaranteed that experienced college educated engineers aren't treated like that in their jobs.

The more skill you have, the better the job you can obtain and the more you will be valued by your employer and the more money you can make.

One has to invest in themselves (education, learning a skill/trade) if they want to make themselves better. They shouldn't be just sitting there whining that they don't make enough money and that "someone" needs to do something about it.

Like I have said before a million times(not sure why you can't get this) that not everyone is smart enough to get more education, skills and there are not enough of these higher paying jobs for everyone to get one. If a bunch of people became doctors there would not be enough doctor jobs available. This is already happening in college graduates can not find jobs in their fields. Think of what would happen if a ton more people had college degrees their is just not enough demand for that many college graduates. Companies would go out of business because they would have no one working these low paying jobs that they need filled to have a successful business.
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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Like I have said before a million times(not sure why you can't get this) that not everyone is smart enough to get more education, skills and there are not enough of these higher paying jobs for everyone to get one. If a bunch of people became doctors there would not be enough doctor jobs available. This is already happening in college graduates can not find jobs in their fields. Think of what would happen if a ton more people had college degrees their is just not enough demand for that many college graduates. Companies would go out of business because they would have no one working these low paying jobs that they need filled to have a successful business.
Those sir, are the breaks as they say. We cant just hand out money to people that do not create value for an organization. When you were growing up, did you play any organized sports....if you did, was it the kind where nobody ever lost and everyone got a trophy at the end of the year?
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Like I have said before a million times(not sure why you can't get this) that not everyone is smart enough to get more education, skills and there are not enough of these higher paying jobs for everyone to get one. If a bunch of people became doctors there would not be enough doctor jobs available. This is already happening in college graduates can not find jobs in their fields. Think of what would happen if a ton more people had college degrees their is just not enough demand for that many college graduates. Companies would go out of business because they would have no one working these low paying jobs that they need filled to have a successful business.
You equate skill with a college degree.
What about plumber, electrician, bus driver, etc ?
One up from the min wage..something many seem not to want to strive for these days.

No one working these low paying jobs ? Heck, that would give teens back the typical jobs they used to go for.
It used to be teens in retail, supermarket and fast food with the adults as managers, asst. managers.
Now you barely see a teen working in these places. These are entry level jobs that too many have taken as their "careers".
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:24 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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You equate skill with a college degree.
What about plumber, electrician, bus driver, etc ?
One up from the min wage..something many seem not to want to strive for these days.

No one working these low paying jobs ? Heck, that would give teens back the typical jobs they used to go for.
It used to be teens in retail, supermarket and fast food with the adults as managers, asst. managers.
Now you barely see a teen working in these places. These are entry level jobs that too many have taken as their "careers".
Teens only are allowed to work a certain amount of hours a a week and can not work late at night. Who do you think works these jobs when teens are at school. Also not every job that pays min wage hires teens. My current job is at a food service company with low skill jobs but no one there is a teenager. The reason that people have taken these jobs as careers is that there are now more people so there is less openings for higher paying jobs and there used to be decent paying factory jobs for unskilled workers but most of those jobs are gone.You have yet to answer how all these people are going to get a higher paying job when there are only x amount of higher paying jobs available.
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:31 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Those sir, are the breaks as they say. We cant just hand out money to people that do not create value for an organization. When you were growing up, did you play any organized sports....if you did, was it the kind where nobody ever lost and everyone got a trophy at the end of the year?
No one is saying that there should not be different levels of income that there shouldn't be rich and middle classes. What I am saying is that the people who are poor should not have to worry everyday if they will be able to eat that day or be able to pay there rent.
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