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Old 09-25-2011, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Green Valley, AZ
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What do you think we need?
I have this theory based entirely off of nothing that if we increased the minimum wage to something that IS livable, that we may have less poverty. Less welfare cases. Etc.

I understand everyone's life is different. What one may think is a good wage, someone may think it's crap.

The min wage I believe in NJ is like $7.75. Let's say they slightly doubled it to $15. $15 an hour, IMO, is something that is livable. Especially in a dual income home. There would be no need for welfare, there would be enough for these people to pay their rent (or mortgage), pay their bills, and even have money left over to buy stuff. Buying stuff is a good thing. It stimulates the economy.

If more people have disposable money, then more people will be out there spending money. This way, the companies that DO pay the crappy min wage now..would eventually make up for now doubling the salaries of their workers.

I mean, it makes sense to me. But what about someone else?
Or is this a system to make people feel better about themselves compared to other people?
Increasing minimum wage is a nice way to make the US even less competitive in the global economy. We arn't just competing with ourselves, we are competing with the world. Just be happy you arn't making $1.00/day.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:24 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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If you decide to work at a crappy low-wage job, you will not have a good life.

If the choice is between working-and-not-having-a-good-life and not-working-and-not-having-a-good-life, is it any surprise many people choose not working?

Just sayin'...

Exactly why work your butt off and many times be treated crappy by customers or managers to not even make enough to live on? With a low min wage there is no incentive to want to work these jobs. We need to make these jobs more desirable then welfare or any other social program.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:29 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Increasing minimum wage is a nice way to make the US even less competitive in the global economy. We arn't just competing with ourselves, we are competing with the world. Just be happy you arn't making $1.00/day.
Right people who do not know if they will have food to eat that day or enough money to pay rent should be thankful for that.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:41 PM
 
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neither. The market should dictate what people should be paid. No minimum or so "living" wage.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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Life is what YOU make it is partially true. If you decide not to work you will not have a good life. Life is also who your parents were, how intelligent you are, if you have disabilities and so forth.
Wrong.

Everyone has a choice to make their life different, better or worse. Being born poor is just an excuse when they decide to suck from the tax payer's teat.
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:31 AM
 
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neither. The market should dictate what people should be paid. No minimum or so "living" wage.

Should the market dictate the quality of housing people are allowed to build, sell, or rent?

Should a landlord be able to rent out housing that is affordable to someone making $1 per hour?
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Old 09-27-2011, 04:24 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Wrong.

Everyone has a choice to make their life different, better or worse. Being born poor is just an excuse when they decide to suck from the tax payer's teat.

So people with low intelligence or a disability can make their life better? How do you know if it is an excuse if you have not walked in their shoes? I would not be surprised because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about not sure what fantasy land you live in.
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Exactly why work your butt off and many times be treated crappy by customers or managers to not even make enough to live on? With a low min wage there is no incentive to want to work these jobs. We need to make these jobs more desirable then welfare or any other social program.
Here's the incentive;

The minimum wage job is not the career job, is not the job for the family breadwinner, is not what one aspires to. The minimum wage job is the STARTING point. It's a stepping stone. It's the first rung on the ladder. Do it for as long as you must, to pay expenses when you first enter the job force. Do it well, be promoted, gain experience that will qualify you for the next rung up the ladder.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Here's the incentive;

The minimum wage job is not the career job, is not the job for the family breadwinner, is not what one aspires to. The minimum wage job is the STARTING point. It's a stepping stone. It's the first rung on the ladder. Do it for as long as you must, to pay expenses when you first enter the job force. Do it well, be promoted, gain experience that will qualify you for the next rung up the ladder.

That's odd...I worked in a convenience store where most of the employees were over 30, several were over 50, one was over 65, and all were paid within 20 cents of minimum wage.

How is that a STARTING point?
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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That's odd...I worked in a convenience store where most of the employees were over 30, several were over 50, one was over 65, and all were paid within 20 cents of minimum wage.

How is that a STARTING point?
Minimum wage is replacing career opportunities for too many people.
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