Health Care Reform? Don't Need It!

[aneftp]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

There are many people saying the new HC Law is unpopular with the American people. Why do they say that, it doesn't appear to be so.

Kaiser Health Tracking Poll -- June 2010 - Kaiser Family Foundation

Kaiser is a very liberal, first HMOs. One of the largest, if not the largest in the country. Polls numbers can all be fiddled with depending on how you ask the question.

I could point out a conservative poll, the Rasmussen, that states 58% still favor a repeal of the healthcare law, and support for the repeal is up 2%.

amednews: Physician-owned hospitals: Endangered species? :: June 28, 2010 ... American Medical News

The point is people will decide their answer to certain questions depending on how it's phased.

I posted on another post about physician owned facilities may become a thing of the past.
amednews: Physician-owned hospitals: Endangered species? :: June 28, 2010 ... American Medical News

If that's the law, and you ask medicare patients they would be restricted to only their local community hospital and not their regular doctor at their private facility because the government won't let them take medicare patient. I am sure the result of that poll will change dramatically in favor of repealing the health law.

[JimMe]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

The Dems believe that a basic level of medical care should be available to all. People who desire and have the ability, certainly can opt, for more extensive coverage.

It currently is available to all. The issue is who should have to pay for it.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by TightButLoose

"and let the private companies do what they do best"

What's that? Bullying and ripping off consumers? Yup, they're champs at that! And it's so much easier to do when the customer is ill and poor!

again it is the government that is costing the people money, not the private insurance companies. many years ago auto insurance was in the same boat that health insurance is now, few companies in each state were allowed to sell auto insurance, and you got high rates across the board. when the laws were changed, and auto insurance was allowed to be sold across state lines, and NO mandates were changed, auto insurance rates dropped dramatically.

"government is far more likely to refuse to pay for something than a private insurance company will".

B.S!!! A Canadian, Brit or Dutchman doesn't have to call up some lackey in some HMO call centre inquiring about whether or not their ____________ (insert whatever medically necessary procedure you want) is covered by their health insurance plan; they just get it done! How on earth did you get the notion that private insurance is so free and easy with their money? You didn't see "Sicko", I guess.......If you're sick, you're nothing more than a liability on the HMO's balance sheet.

right, because the canadian or european systems are so good that many citizens come to the US to get many medical procedures done. private insurance is not free and easy with their money, i never said that. i DID however say that the state and federal government are MORE likely to refuse services than private insurance companies are. the government doent have to worry about bad publicity like private companies do.

as for HMO's, i have always felt that they should go away and die a horrible death, because doctors are not making ultimate medical decisions, accountants are, and it is the GOVERNMENT that allowed that crap to happen. but if you like the canadian system so much, go there and live under the system for a while. when you get tired of waiting for six months to get an appointment with your assigned doctor, come back here and revel in the current medical freedoms we have now. the truth is that socialized medicine does not work, it gets bloated because everyone uses the system more because they dont think they are paying for anything. that means longer waits for initial appointments, longer waits for referrals, longer waits for being scheduled for surgery, and more often than not the elderly are refused the more expensive services, silly little things like hip replacements for instance.

britain is seriously considering scrapping their current system and going with a more privatized system, much like the US has, as are other european countries.

Originally Posted by GregW

The private health insurance industry acts as a distributed monopoly and should be eliminated. Health care can then be provided by the government that would be able to control costs by eliminating huge profits and executive compensation. I believe that private ownership of health care providers such as pharmaceuticals, hospitals and nursing home is nothing by a rip off. These too should be government owned and staffed for the same reason as the insurance companies.

A sick person should be able to go to a Doctor, hospital or emergency room and present a medical payment card and modest co-pay and get the services they need. Private investors are not needed.

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

The culprit is not the private health care industry - it is the government.

Think about it - there is no RIGHT to health care in America.

It is a crime to give medical treatment unless licensed by government.
It is a crime to buy and sell "prescription" medicine, unless by government's permission.
It is a crime to buy and sell medical equipment without government's permission.

There is only the privilege of health care.
Which means you no longer have the right to life, for you now need government permission to access health care.

Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.

Originally Posted by pvande55

Of course it's government regulation. Doctors must be licensed. Remove this and anyone can practice medicine. Drugs require prescriptions. The government provides drug makers with patent protection. Remove government regulation and the cost of medicine will go down. A number of additional patients would die, but that is the price you pay.

i dont mind that the government regulates who can practice medicine, i dont mind that the government allows patents on medications to run for a certain number of years, certain regulations are required to maintain a certain level of quality, and proper government oversight is required to make sure that those in the medical industry are following the regulations. my objection is government control of medicine, and excessive government pressure on private companies in the medical field including heath insurance. excessive regulation, and excessive interference by the government just means more costs, and that means higher prices and higher premiums.

governments tend to stifle innovation, and cost cutting, when they should be encouraging it. government run programs are failures, especially government run health care. just look at europe as they are looking to cut their programs to save money. we can do proper health insurance reform for little money, and keep the government OUT of running health insurance, it just takes the proper regulations and laws.

Originally Posted by florida.bob

There are many people saying the new HC Law is unpopular with the American people. Why do they say that, it doesn't appear to be so.

Kaiser Health Tracking Poll -- June 2010 - Kaiser Family Foundation

the intent of the health care reform law is popular, but the law itself is quite unpopular. too much government spending and too many new taxes and regulations all of which are unneeded, and will not reduce the cost of health care, quite the contrary it will increase the cost of health care substantially, and reduce services.