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Bush's popularity went down most after 2004 (although I do know conservative turnout dropped in 04 and 2006 as well up there but things still went for Bush and in 2004 in those areas)...2008 is the election where it really showed up. McCain was not popular, people were mad at Bush, and Palin drove the nail in the coffin...
Turnout was even higher in 2008. It isn't that conservatives didn't turn out. They did turn out, but they just don't represent a large voting block and are repulsed by the uber right nut cases that represent todays GOP, and moderates tend to be quite liberal in VT and vote HEAVILY Democratic. Obama won moderates by 40 points in VT, Independents by 49.
Turnout was even higher in 2008. It isn't that conservatives didn't turn out. They did turn out, but they just don't represent a large voting block and are repulsed by the uber right nut cases that represent todays GOP, and moderates tend to be quite liberal in VT and vote HEAVILY Democratic. Obama won moderates by 40 points in VT, Independents by 49.
Total voter turnout does not give an accurate picture of both sides. There was higher than normal voter turnout in 2008, but not on both sides...
At the local level there actually are quite a few Republicans in office here. I think if a candidate like Ron Paul (a libertarian conservative) was on the ballot instead of McCain-Palin (religious right conservative with Palin), things might have been a bit different...
Disagree. We have no income tax in Nevada, yet we have the second highest unemployment rate. If you ask me, we need to look at education to answer these questions. I know we score very poorly here. I'm guessing the New England states have a far more educated populace.
Well, the unemployment rate does not necessarily correlate to education. Massachusetts has the highest number of advanced degrees yet ranks #20 for highest unemployment rates.
Here are some state by state education statistics:
Total voter turnout does not give an accurate picture of both sides. There was higher than normal voter turnout in 2008, but not on both sides...
At the local level there actually are quite a few Republicans in office here. I think if a candidate like Ron Paul (a libertarian conservative) was on the ballot instead of McCain-Palin (religious right conservative with Palin), things might have been a bit different...
The Vermont House is about 2-1 Democratic 94-48, with 5 members of the Vermont Progressive Party and 3 Independents, The Vermont State Senate is 3-1 Democratic, with 22 Democrats, 7 Republicans and 1 member of the Vermont Progressive Party.
The Vermont House is about 2-1 Democratic 94-48, with 5 members of the Vermont Progressive Party and 3 Independents, The Vermont State Senate is 3-1 Democratic, with 22 Democrats, 7 Republicans and 1 member of the Vermont Progressive Party.
The state isn't solidly democrat. Burlington, Brattleboro, Montpelier are the most left-leaning parts of the state...
I'm betting though even in those areas some of those dems will be losing their jobs this Fall because of their poor handling of the economy, raising taxes, etc., people are getting angry here at the politicians...I'm looking forward to this election...
Imagine New Hampshire politicians ending speeches by thundering, "And God bless the State Of New Hampshire!" the way they do in Texas ("God bless the State Of Texas!"). They'd probably be laughed off the stage.
Really? Even here in Maryland, just last week, the new Baltimore mayor (who actually passed one of the most liberal abortion bills in the nation as city council chair) concludes the state of the city address with God Bless You All and God Bless Baltimore.
I think as the northeast gets more and more expensive, the liberals run screaming to the cheaper southeastern states which by the way is not Maryland. They don't put two and two together that they are the reason why it became so expensive to live in their native states. Some of them are northeast liberals that ran to Florida and then when Florida started to become expensive, ran halfway back to North Carolina and look what happened to North Carolina in the last election because of them. They don't learn. Texas is infected in Austin from the screaming liberals that ran there to escape expensive California.
The DC burbs are actually filled with Long Island and JErsey types who moved down in the last 50 years. The Eastern Shore and Western Shore are staunchly conservative, there are counties that have not voted Democrat in a generation. In Baltimore, the inner city is Democrat but the suburbs are mixed, with more blue collar suburbs being in Sarah Palin's base while the affluent suburbs are more Blue. Even in Baltimore you will find many young people who will carry an unplanned pregancy to term and raise the child, no matter how difficult, rather than take the easy way and go to Planned Parenthood. It is the DC suburbs that make Maryland blue.
I'm surprised by some of the replies here. WHat about the talk of Pennsylvania being Philly and PIttsburgh with Alabama in between? Or the complete cultural disconnect between upstate New York and the NYC area? So rural Pennsylvania is not more religious than the liberal elite areas and the inner cities?
I'm surprised by some of the replies here. WHat about the talk of Pennsylvania being Philly and PIttsburgh with Alabama in between? Or the complete cultural disconnect between upstate New York and the NYC area? So rural Pennsylvania is not more religious than the liberal elite areas and the inner cities?
As I have said earlier in the thread those areas exist, but they are the ones losing population. The so called Alabama in between area of Pennsylvania is generally known as the T. The T is losing population meanwhile suburban Philly is gaining population. People have moved out of both places, but in the T and areas of western PA you don't have people moving in to replace those moving out. In suburban Philly you have people moving in to replace those moving out. Same thing with those in NY, upstate is losing population, while the NYC metro is either stable or growing because you have people moving in to replace those moving out in the NYC metro, you don't have the people moving in upstate.
As I have said earlier in the thread those areas exist, but they are the ones losing population. The so called Alabama in between area of Pennsylvania is generally known as the T. The T is losing population meanwhile suburban Philly is gaining population. People have moved out of both places, but in the T and areas of western PA you don't have people moving in to replace those moving out. In suburban Philly you have people moving in to replace those moving out. Same thing with those in NY, upstate is losing population, while the NYC metro is either stable or growing because you have people moving in to replace those moving out in the NYC metro, you don't have the people moving in upstate.
However those people do not necessarily change their politics when they leave the conservative areas, so it will in fact slowly tilt the politics to the right.
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