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You sound like you fit right into the topic of your post. What I'm saying is you sound like an idiot. Have you ever seen the government run anything and do a good job of it? I didn't think so. Have you read the total health care bill as it was first proposed? Again, I didn't think so. I don't want the government telling me what medications my doctor can give me, I don't want the government causing me to have to wait to visit my doctor or hospital. If this whole program is so good, why are our congresssmen excluding themselves? Wake up, do some reading before you talk about something you don't know anything about. Better yet, just stay in London with the rest of the fools, you seem to fit right in there also.
He lives here in the states with his American wife. He has a perspective of both systems of healthcare delivery. Yes I have seen the fed run things well. A matter of fact I've seen the fed run things so well that no other nation can top us. One thing this nation does extremely poorly that is the delivery of healthcare. The worst of all modern nations and the stats proove it. All you have to do read and know your facts first. I will agree that I wouldn't want the government telling me what meds to take also, but unfortunely if you get pretty damn sick you'll have a for profit insurance company telling your doc how to, when to treat you, wither you like it or not. The insurance companies sit squarely between you and your doctor. Don't believe me? Read Oregonian read, and stay healthy!
Your statement makes much sense but don't you know that where federal taxes are concerned which is where all this UHC money will come from over half of our "taxpayers" don't pay taxes but do collect money as if they had. Think just a few thoughts about this and try to come back at me.
I don't know about other countries but I doubt seriously that they have returned money for people who didn't pay any. I just hate to hear the talk about earned income credit.
That is a different issue. I was responding to a post about a comparison to the population of the US and UK.
It is hard for our government to do what you suggest because we aren't yet socialist but getting there by leaps and bounds with the evil triumvirate of Obama, Reid and Pelosi in control of our government.
Oh the evils of socialistic "UHC." I'm sure you can round up a few Canadians or Swedes who are truly pissed about UHC in their countries, but they'll be in the minority, for sure
I want to say these things to all here, not just you but I have to answer someone. Do you think that we will have better health care if we add 30 or 40 million people to those getting care from that government paid care? Do we have enough doctors and nurses to take care of that many more people? I think not but instead of getting ready for the influx we just hear people talk about throwing in that many. I think that we will all see our care drop precipitously when all those people are thrown in.
Now how about the old people. We already know that even with the numbers we have today that doctors are going to stop taking new Medicare patients. For what reason are they doing that? Well now they know that it has been proposed that amounts paid for Medicare patients be cut. That will certainly happen if we take $50 billion per year out of Medicare.
I hear all kinds of crap about having all this care for all those people but never do I see any suggestions concerning where all that care will come from. Answers would be very nice, but I bet never forthcoming.
It's difficult for a medicare patient to find a primary care physician already. If you were not a patient before you turned 65 odds are you may be in for a surprise.
To top that, our senators just adjourned without extending the current rate of reimbursement for physicians, so come Monday morning the government has cut medicare reimbursement by 21%. The news is reporting a medicare meltdown.
And to think,...the proposed healthcare plan will most likely be tied to medicare rates. What a cluster......
Probably nestle at the bottom. Now you are the one that thinks he is so all knowing because you attended a nurse's training school. Surely using that word, probably, in that post is a bit silly since you either know or don't know and I think you don't.
I wouldn't call Medical School "attending a nurses training school". You also seem to feel that nurses are some kind of second rate health worker. I know many nurses and you insult them with your attitude. Nurses are the front line between the Patient and his healthcare. Nurses are true healthcare professionals.
You sound like you fit right into the topic of your post. What I'm saying is you sound like an idiot. Have you ever seen the government run anything and do a good job of it? I didn't think so. Have you read the total health care bill as it was first proposed? Again, I didn't think so. I don't want the government telling me what medications my doctor can give me, I don't want the government causing me to have to wait to visit my doctor or hospital. If this whole program is so good, why are our congresssmen excluding themselves? Wake up, do some reading before you talk about something you don't know anything about. Better yet, just stay in London with the rest of the fools, you seem to fit right in there also.
As i have said in previous posts, this is NOT the bill that Obama had originally wanted but opposition, for political gain, has made it now necessary for Obama to move down a different avenue. If anyone is to blame for a bill that does not do what we want, it is the lobbyists and the right wing media. When Obama was voted in he had a big mandate to change healthcare. A big percentage wanted change. Lies and fear mongering has scared the cr*p out of many people and now they are fearful of a UHC. This has happened in the past.... Nixon...Clinton etc, but they just chickened out and dropped health reform. Bush didn't even approach the subject as he didn't want to rock the Washington Boat. Obama is standing his ground and boy are the right pi*sed. If Obama succeeds in giving America affordable healthcare and covers all Americans, he will be in office for both terms and that will never be ok with some of Americas hate brigade or the right wing nuts.
As far as Govt control of your healthcare...you really do not have any idea how it works. Let's see if i can explain how a Govt funded health system works in simple language for you.
The Govt FUNDS the health system.
The Govt sets national guidlines to ensure continuity and to stop unethical practices.
The Govt. does NOT get involved in the day to day running of your healthcare or interferes with your Doctors decisions ..... Local health authorities run each areas Hospitals etc. These are medical people not beurocrats.
The Doctors decide on your treatments and proceedures. The Doctors DO NOT contact the govt for any kind of agreement to give treatment or drugs. The Doctors and medical staff treat you and They and they alone decide on your health plan. You can choose ANY Doctor you like to treat you and any Hospital This is done because thy all come under one system.... similar to using a National bank... you use th one you want wherever you are. If you move states you get the same treatment and your history goes with you..... All over the Country... no new Doc trying to find out from scratch, wasting time and money.
eg....You could be operated on in New york and use the Hospital near you in Kansas for post op recoup and treatment... no fuss... no bother.
So let's get real....... All this B/S about the Govt deciding what drugs you have or what treatment you have is absolute RUBBISH. Your Doctor or medical team decide not the Govt. This is a FACT and not some pie in the sky theory that the anti change brigade seem to dish up with their "Govt interference" scare tactics.
If you think the American system is ok then please tell me why it is ONLY America that is having heated debates about its health System????????
UHC countries are extremely happy with their health systems.... mmmmmm wonder why?????????? Because they work and work well and could work in the USA too..... oh i forgot..that would mean NO elitist health system that panders to the rich and tells the less fortunate to be happy with whatever they get.
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I would much rather pay taxes for health and education for my fellow citizens or legal residents than pay taxes for disastrous wars or an obsolete space programme.
i'd rather have the govt spend money on neither. finally though something where i'd possibly agree with you. i'd see healthcare spending as the lsser of the 3 evils
"Why are Americans such idiots when it comes to healthcare"
Because most Americans have never lived anywhere else and don't realize how seriously they are getting screwed.
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