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Stein has never hit any nail on the head. I doubt he has ever held a hammer in his hand. In other words, he has no idea what he is talking about, but for many people, that's irrelevant.
Hmmm folks want corroboration about what Stein said. Let's see how he was tracking back in May when things were still decent for Obama in the polls. Obama approval ratings show class divide - The Boston Globe
"A good part of [the class divide] may have to do with a negative reaction to some of Obama's policies: taxing the rich, most specifically, and government exercising too much influence over the economy," said Andrew Kohut, who directed the survey.
the above is from the link. Wonder how things have been for him lately.
Stein has never hit any nail on the head. I doubt he has ever held a hammer in his hand. In other words, he has no idea what he is talking about, but for many people, that's irrelevant.
Seems like there are exists links to support his hammer. I trust you will start providing corroboration to refute him. It is always good to give lurkers something to chew on so they can think for themselves.
Not true, taken state by state, the "red" states take more in government services than they provide.
The "blue" states subsidize the Red states. An electoral map will easily show that the wealthy producing areas are blue states.
Look, another uninformed posting.
Those charts show federal spending, not the states take in from the federal government..
Just because the federal government is spending in your state, this does not mean that state is sucking from the federal government.
Texas a prime example, federal government spends more in that state to keep out illegal aliens, this does not mean Texas is sucking the country dry..
Lordy, what is a leftwing nut to do. The hated Ben Stein is hammering away. Lurkers what do you see from the data in the links provided about the accuracy of what Stein said?
CNSNews.com - Obama's Approval Rating Drops Below 50 Percent Among Middle-Income Americans, Says Gallup Poll (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/54252 - broken link)
This is the first time Obama’s approval rating has simultaneously dropped below 50% for both of the middle-income brackets tracked by the Gallup Poll. It also represents a dramatic decline in Obama’s support among middle-income Americans from Gallup surveys conducted earlier this year. (To see the data from Gallup's tracking poll since the beginning of Obama's presidency go here and click the link as directed to download the information.)
During the week of the Inauguration in January, Obama’s approval rating was 69% among Americans earning between $5,000 and $7,499. That was the peak of his support among that group, which has since dropped 22 points, meaning almost a third of Americans in this income bracket who approved of Obama’s job performance on the day he started his job have since changed their minds.
Obama’s approval rating remains strongest among the lowest income Americans. Yet, it is declining even there. In Inauguration week, Obama’s approval rating was 73% among Americans earning less than $2,000 per year, and it peaked at 76% in the period of May 4-May 10. But in polling conducted between Sept. 7 and Sept. 13, the president's approval was down to 63% among Americans earning less than $2,000 per month.
The above is all from the link and have things gotten better for Obama with people paying their way since the above link? Lordy whats a Progressive to do other than fume and espouse rhetoric attacking Stein the messenger and not the merits of his thoughts. Sounds like the reciprocal of he was born in Kenya.
Stein has never hit any nail on the head. I doubt he has ever held a hammer in his hand. In other words, he has no idea what he is talking about, but for many people, that's irrelevant.
For the benefit of lurkers your quantitative support for your position is? Yes you are right about one thing. My health my CHOICE and the tax paying American public is speaking loud and clear. We need reform first and expansion once it becomes affordable.
I would love to see some stats backing that claim up, and please, quoting per capita income isn't going to cut it. I want to see a break down of taxes paid by political affiliation (which I doubt exist).
"(which I doubt exist)" and is exactly the reason why you asked for it.
It's also disingenuous because it is in many cases untrue. The statistics that the right-wing (including dingbats like Stein) quote from are the IRS summary data for tax returns that show a positive adjusted gross income. So these people did make some money during the year, but they still ended up with a net tax bill of zero or less. How does that happen?
Well, about 20% of this group are households with two or more children who have incomes of less than $25,000. The standard deduction and personal exemptions alone wipe out all of their taxable income, so they owe nothing.
More than 50% of no-tax filers are eligible for one or both of the Earned Income Tax Credit or the Additional Child Care Credit. These are legacies from turning welfare into workfare. To receive what were once welfare benefits, you have to work. If you have to work and have children, you have to have child care. Both of these credits are refundable (so is Make Work Pay, for that matter). Since these are low-income people, their benefits will often exceed their tax liability. The only way to get them these benefits is to reduce their actual taxes to zero, then pay them any amount less than zero. For example, if Ray owed $3300 in taxes, but had $5000 in credits, he would pay no tax and receive a check for $1700. Note that if these credits were administered by some agency other than the IRS, Ray would receive a check for $5000 from that other agency and would pay the $3300 to the IRS. It is only the fact that IRS administers these programs that makes it look like Ray is not paying taxes.
All in all, the typical no-tax filer is under age 35 (55%), white (80%), female (55%), unmarried (70%...including single, divorced, and widowed), and worked a full-time job (55%) though not necessarily for the entire year. Roughly 25% of no-tax filers are students who file only to get back the taxes that were withheld from their paychecks when they worked summer or other part-time jobs. Otherwise, their most common occupations are sales clerks, admin support staff, precision production workers, and other services workers.
Could you please post your source?
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In general, I believe the highest-income counties in the U.S. voted for Obama.
The bluest part of Texas - close to the Mexican border - the Delta region of Mississippi, and parts of the Black Belt region of Alabama and Georgia are all among the poorest countries in the country and had a huge turnout for Obama and the Democrats.
Buffalo County, SD which is the poorest county in the US went 75% for Obama. Shannon County, SD (second poorest) when 89% for Obama. Third poorest, Starr County, TX went 85% Obama, the next poorest of Zieback County, SD went for Obama 60%. Fifth poorest of Todd County, SD went for Obama 78%.
In contrast, the richest county in the country, Loudoun County, VA only went for Obama 54% and 46% for McCain (almost perfectly accurate to the national total). Second place Fairfax, VA went 60% for Obama, third place Howard, VA also went 60% for Obama, fourth place Somerset, NJ only went 53% for Obama, fifth place Morris County, NJ went 54% .. For McCain.
The poorest counties vote by enormous margins for Democrats as opposed to the wealthiest counties which are generally more accurate to the national average. This should not be a shock to anyone, indeed Democrats have scored best among the poor and uneducated for decades;
The bluest part of Texas - close to the Mexican border - the Delta region of Mississippi, and parts of the Black Belt region of Alabama and Georgia are all among the poorest countries in the country and had a huge turnout for Obama and the Democrats.
Buffalo County, SD which is the poorest county in the US went 75% for Obama. Shannon County, SD (second poorest) when 89% for Obama. Third poorest, Starr County, TX went 85% Obama, the next poorest of Zieback County, SD went for Obama 60%. Fifth poorest of Todd County, SD went for Obama 78%.
In contrast, the richest county in the country, Loudoun County, VA only went for Obama 54% and 46% for McCain (almost perfectly accurate to the national total). Second place Fairfax, VA went 60% for Obama, third place Howard, VA also went 60% for Obama, fourth place Somerset, NJ only went 53% for Obama, fifth place Morris County, NJ went 54% .. For McCain.
The poorest counties vote by enormous margins for Democrats as opposed to the wealthiest counties which are generally more accurate to the national average. This should not be a shock to anyone, indeed Democrats have scored best among the poor and uneducated for decades;
However, that does not mean I agree with Stein or the premise of gauging tax income relative to party affiliation, no such data exists.
You can extrapolate thoughts by comparing the data for approval rating by income level and party affiliation by income level. If the ranges within the groups are significant enough a thinking person can develop some thoughts. Lurkers certainly are.
Like I said at the top of the income scale he did well. Below that it was Republican but look at the lowest categories and which party overwhelmingly swept the low income vote? How many of the upper income vote is still with Obama? How much of the low income vote is now supporting the Republicans or the Tea Party movement? Hmmmmmmmm? Is this chart the point you are trying to make?
Below $50,000 a year income....
That seems to be the mark where tides turn. That is the magic number where people seem comfortable, below that and the hand is held out.
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