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That's the point, that is why a huge military doesn't make sense anymore. We don't go to war anymore and kill, capture and rape anyone of a certain nationality because an entire country was declared the enemy. I mean, there is no point in military action against Iran etc.
Afghanistan is such a mess, and it always will be no matter how many soldiers the world sends. They can't stay forever and soon after they leave, their "accomplishments" will be undone again.
so building you wells for clean drinking water paving roads and giving you guys a chance to set up a govronment and a train a security force to help keep things from getting out of control and treating you sick and wounded to medical care and when we leave and you guys want to destroy those things then it's your loss
You are saying we should scale back the military so it is only used for self defense within our national boundaries? Pull our troops out of every country that they currently reside in, including stop sending them out to places like Haiti for emergency relief and protection?
Those troops who came back with illnesses from Haiti would probably agree not to go back.
so building you wells for clean drinking water paving roads and giving you guys a chance to set up a govronment and a train a security force to help keep things from getting out of control and treating you sick and wounded to medical care and when we leave and you guys want to destroy those things then it's your loss
You?! I am not Afghan. Anyway, those deeds as such may not be bad, but they would be way more appreciated if they were not associated with the military, but with a civilian organization without a hidden agenda. Foreign military is considered bad, thus many locals will always reject anything that military does on their land.
You?! I am not Afghan. Anyway, those deeds as such may not be bad, but they would be way more appreciated if they were not associated with the military, but with a civilian organization without a hidden agenda. Foreign military is considered bad, thus many locals will always reject anything that military does on their land.
Not me, I like our nation's military. They came to the rescue in New Orleans when the state government refused to act. They came to the rescue in the Yucatan area when a major hurricane flooded areas and set off mudslides. They came to the rescue in Asia after the tsunami even though some of the people they were helping were wearing Osama bin Laden T-Shirts. They came to the rescue for many parts our country that experienced flooding or wild fires. They came to the rescue of boaters stranded or lost in the ocean. But you hate the military so none of that matters to you.
The military has become an expensive, glorified jobs program. We are not any safer because of the wars started in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in fact, a great argument could be made that these wars have made us less safe. Terrorism is a real threat, but it's a threat that is best dealt with through law enforcement and intelligence tactics, not wide-scale military action.
At a time when the American people, led by the Tea Partiers, are very worried about out of control government spending, there seems to be little discussion about one of the biggest culprits: the military! It's time for Americans to wake up and stop regarding the issue as a third rail. There is so much wasteful spending, from $600 plungers, to ridiculous government contracts for shadow defense forces like Blackwater, that we cannot go on much longer like this.
Anyone interested in further reading, simply look up "Military-Industrial Complex," a term that was coined by departing President Eisenhower and something that has been written about ad nauseum in the decades since.
So you would agree that the government made a mess of it because of wasteful spending. You must also be against National healthcare because they would have just as much wasteful spending there right. You would be calling for cut backs in Healthcare then and maybe you could call them death panels.
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Is it time to cut military spending? Absolutely!
The military has become an expensive, glorified jobs program. We are not any safer because of the wars started in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in fact, a great argument could be made that these wars have made us less safe. Terrorism is a real threat, but it's a threat that is best dealt with through law enforcement and intelligence tactics, not wide-scale military action.
At a time when the American people, led by the Tea Partiers, are very worried about out of control government spending, there seems to be little discussion about one of the biggest culprits: the military! It's time for Americans to wake up and stop regarding the issue as a third rail. There is so much wasteful spending, from $600 plungers, to ridiculous government contracts for shadow defense forces like Blackwater, that we cannot go on much longer like this.
Anyone interested in further reading, simply look up "Military-Industrial Complex," a term that was coined by departing President Eisenhower and something that has been written about ad nauseum in the decades since.
I agree. We still run the military like the USSR is still waiting to kill us all. It could be cut in half with no problem.
Not me, I like our nation's military. They came to the rescue in New Orleans when the state government refused to act. They came to the rescue in the Yucatan area when a major hurricane flooded areas and set off mudslides. They came to the rescue in Asia after the tsunami even though some of the people they were helping were wearing Osama bin Laden T-Shirts. They came to the rescue for many parts our country that experienced flooding or wild fires. They came to the rescue of boaters stranded or lost in the ocean. But you hate the military so none of that matters to you.
Yes of course I hate the military and everything it stands for.
And I think what you listed could also be done by civilian organizations, probably even better. It makes sense to install a new system anyway because there will be more and more disasters in the future. Your country's failure to set up sufficient civilian rescue and relief organizations does not justify the use of the military in my view. I also find the argument strange that the military is one of the few options for minorities, that only excuses society from taking care of its lingering problems.
You are saying we should scale back the military so it is only used for self defense within our national boundaries? Pull our troops out of every country that they currently reside in, including stop sending them out to places like Haiti for emergency relief and protection?
More or less, that's what I'd like to see.
I know that the military has done a lot to help the folks in Haiti, but is that really a role that they should be taking on? Can we afford to keep doing this every time it happens? I don't know that there is an easy answer to that question, but look at how private citizens stepped up and donated millions to NGOs to help the people in Haiti.
So you would agree that the government made a mess of it because of wasteful spending. You must also be against National healthcare because they would have just as much wasteful spending there right.
Of course!
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You would be calling for cut backs in Healthcare then and maybe you could call them death panels.
Huh?
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