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Old 03-04-2010, 08:18 PM
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Even if we satrt today gas is going up but I have no idea the amount asno one does. But we also are facing electric going up and natural gas because of now we produce our electricity. Thank those in thsi country that fought nuclear while others such as france are producing 70% electricm that way. Now we face a hard future with moeny going out of country for mosy natural energy ecxcept coal;as it takes a long time to satrt. Alternative wouldn't mean much in our lifetime.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Horsemen View Post
I remember that lie. her faced formed a new wrinkle in the process of telling that lie.

Nancy Pelosi - the Speaker of "No"

And to think, she is the leader of the Party of NO
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:39 PM
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost View Post
I thought anti-Obamites liked regressive taxation.

Nope. But it surely will bring our ego down to earth, and introduce us to the realities. A good start would be to kill the $18B/year in corporate welfare that is going on for oil companies.
Thank you.
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick Roma View Post
7.00 gas would kill us. Forget about the driving expenses. Look at what happened to the cost of every consumer good when we hit 4.00 in 2008.
Look at the increased cost to produce and ship food product from farms to grocer to table.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:02 AM
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Argument in favor of a revenue neutral gas tax:

Stabilizing the price of gas will go a long way toward strengthening America’s auto industry and reducing our dependence on foreign oil. The reason is fundamental: it’s far more efficient for manufacturers to create platforms that address an ongoing demand.
Why Our Love of Small Cars Didn’t Last - Room for Debate Blog - NYTimes.com
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:31 PM
Location: Prepperland
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I wish there was a replacement for petroleum that would revive the "good ole days" of cheap and plentiful oil (before 1970s).

But it looks like we're faced with a world wide increase in demand, outstripping supply. And that supply is swiftly depleting, to the point of diminishing returns.

Therefore, we have to transition to the MOST EFFICIENT forms of transportation so that our finite fuel budget moves the MOST passengers and cargo.

That resolves to electric powered rail, for land transportation. We should substitute ALL forms of electric traction rail transit (where practical):
Heavy rail (mainline), high speed rail, interurban, streetcar, tram, funicular, cogwheel, cable, subway, commuter, as well as multicar segregated right of way light rail.

Can we do it?
America once built 500 electric railroad systems in less than 20 years (1890 - 1910). Most cities and towns of 25,000 or more constructed and operated an electrical rail transportation system. The U.S.A. did this with a population of less than one-third of today's, approximately 3% of today's GNP, and relatively primitive technology.

By 1920, we had the most urban track miles in the world.

The Streetcar Conspiracy - How General Motors Deliberately Destroyed Public Transit (http://saveourwetlands.org/streetcar.htm - broken link)
At the time [1920], 90 percent of all trips were by rail, chiefly electric rail; only one in 10 Americans owned an automobile. There were 1,200 separate electric street and interurban railways, a thriving and profitable industry with 44,000 miles of track, 300,000 employees, 15 billion annual passengers, and $1 billion in income. Virtually every city and town in America of more than 2,500 people had its own electric rail system.

Before cheap oil interests (and their political clout) killed off electrified rail, America had the MOST track miles in the world.

Peak heavy rail mileage: 254,000 miles (less than 160,000 miles today)

There is no doubt about it... we have to get America "Back on Track".
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:50 PM
Location: Prepperland
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Default How about $20 / gallon !

The No. 13 Line ~ When Gas Becomes a Luxury | Blueprint America | PBS
When Gas Becomes a Luxury

First the bad news: gas will rise to $20 per gallon. Now the good news: gas will rise to $20 per gallon. It’s going to happen whether you like it or not. It doesn’t matter if the Democrats are in control, the Republicans, or even Ron Paul. It doesn’t matter if you believe in global warming or disbelieve in evolution. Christopher Steiner, in his new book “$20 per Gallon: How the Inevitable Rise in the Price of Gasoline Will Change Our Lives for the Better”, points out that in the gas supply and demand relationship, demand is directly related to the size of the middle class.

Prior to 1960, that pretty much meant the U.S. middle class. By the 1970’s, Europe’s middle class burgeoned as did car growth. In 2010, experts are predicting that the size of the world’s middle class will soon quadruple, as the masses in China, ex-Soviet bloc countries, and other Asian countries move up the economic ladder and repeat all the West’s same mistakes, promoting the car as the solution to transportation needs. As evidence of this, on January 11, 2010, the New York Times reported that China surpassed the U.S. as the world’s largest car market. The subsequent rise in gas prices will happen rather fast, Steiner predicts, so that by 2020, $20 per gallon gas is quite possible. More importantly, this future change is inevitable.

Soaring fuel prices will trigger a domino effect. Cars will get smaller, public transit use will soar, some airlines will perish, and almost everything will be made more locally. These changes, Steiner argues and we agree, will have an overall positive social and environmental effect. Mind you, though, that many people and businesses will be harmed and lifestyles upended in the process. For that reason, and because we sincerely believe it is better for our country and world, we should start weaning Americans off petroleum now.

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Old 03-05-2010, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost View Post
Yeah, the unemployment today is due to policies that started getting incorporated beginning Jan 20, 2009. And the recession in 1982-83 was a result of policies in 1976-1980.

And then it is just "they" who cares about staying in power. Is this how you think and act?
And don't forget that the economic boom of the late 90s was due to policies from the late 80s...funny how that works.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:43 AM
Location: Long Island, New York
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Originally Posted by GALiberal View Post
And don't forget that the economic boom of the late 90s was due to policies from the late 80s...funny how that works.
correct just as this recession is due to the policies of the late 90's
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