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To all those parents doing it because of religious reasons, I really think it should be done voluntarily when the person is 18 or older.
Yeah right....like that's going to be popular at 18 or older....ouch! I knew someone that converted to Judaism for marriage reasons as an adult and he was probably circumcised already but, that was still part of converting and he said it was more like getting stuck with a pin (something like that....not a scalpel in any event).
Yeah right....like that's going to be popular at 18 or older
So when given the voluntarily choice to circumcise, you believe adult males will choose NOT to (I agree with this - ask an intact man if he wishes his parents had circumcised him and the response will be a horror filled NO!). Why then is it okay to do it involuntarily to them as minors?
So when given the voluntarily choice to circumcise, you believe adult males will choose NOT to (I agree with this - ask an intact man if he wishes his parents had circumcised him and the response will be a horror filled NO!). Why then is it okay to do it involuntarily to them as minors?
So when given the voluntarily choice to circumcise, you believe adult males will choose NOT to (I agree with this - ask an intact man if he wishes his parents had circumcised him and the response will be a horror filled NO!). Why then is it okay to do it involuntarily to them as minors?
Minors?.....They're newborn infants and it's the decision that the parents make, along with a million others that a newborn infant is capable of making for itself....like whether or not it was even born in the first place (also a decision the parents involuntarily.....and all you're fousing on is circumcision....why just that one?).
BTW, you wouldn't get a horror filled no if it had been done when he was an infant....if it was about getting it done now as an adult, that would be a horror filled no.
Minors?.....They're newborn infants and it's the decision that the parents make, along with a million others that a newborn infant is capable of making for itself
Seriously? A decision he's not capable of making? Just because an infant can't make a decision doesn't mean a parent has the right to make it for him. A newborn can't decide whether it would want a live of slavery. Does that mean it's okay for a parent to make that decision and sell the kid to a slave trader? If cutting off body parts is such an important decision to me made for an infant, why doesn't a doctor present new parents with a list of every part of the human body so that you can check which ones you want removed?
What body parts should a parent be allowed to remove from his or her infant? Just the foreskin? The clitoris? Toes? Hands? The head? Nipples are much more useless to a male than foreskin? Do I have the right to remove the nipples of my infant son if I so decide? I've read stories about deaf people advocating against medical procedures to give the ability to hear to babies who are born deaf. Should deaf parents be allowed to deafen their hearing children if they so choose? Should blind parents be allowed to remove the eyes of their seeing children so that they share the same perspective?
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and all you're fousing on is circumcision....why just that one?
You obviously haven't been keeping up on the thread - I'm not just focusing on circumcision. Other than out of medial necessity, why does anyone have a right to make permanent physical alterations to my body? It's my foreskin, they're my nipples, it's my clitoris (had I one), they're my toes, they're my eyes, they're my ears, etc, etc, etc. Whether to keep or remove them is my decision and mine alone. I can think of very few human rights more fundamental than controlling whether my physical body is kept intact or not.
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BTW, you wouldn't get a horror filled no if it had been done when he was an infant....if it was about getting it done now as an adult, that would be a horror filled no.
I know - I've said the same thing three or four times in this thread already. Of course you're not going to miss something you were deprived the opportunity of having, especially when everyone you know was deprived of the same thing.
Were every infant's eyes gouged out at birth, no one would miss not being able to see never having actually done it. However, the one person who slipped through the crack and whose eyes were left intact would be horrified at the thought of losing his eyesight and would be disgusted at the realization that others were deprived of it without their consent.
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The liberals fight against religious discrimination, but yet they push through B.S. legislation like this. Wow, you don't see hypocrisy like this every day!
I think they forget that their islamist darlings also practice circumcision
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