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Sure, there are a lot of good people who need the unemployment $$$ they get and there are plenty of others who are scumbags who will sit at home and watch Jerry Springer until they die collecting our tax dollars. Where is the motivation to find a new job? I am freaking sick of it. SIX MONTHS MAX!!! Then if you are lying in the street hungry and broke...too bad. Motivation is the key. As long as our moronic government keeps shelling out money, the motivation factor is at zero.
Let me guess. Republican, right? And certainly not worth my time!
I second this...this guy needs to be humbled by God!!!...he is so quick to judge everybody....someone got the number to "internet bully beatdowns"....lol
I had thought about asking him to take a week off of work and go stay in the local homeless shelter where he would probably meet some out of work “independent contractors” that can't collect unemployment because they weren't laid off their contract was canceled, but I decided not to because he would probably end up dead or wishing he was. And I just don't want to have the bad karma that would come from setting someone up like that. So Don't go and see how to other half lives. You'll live longer. There I can sleep easy at night.
First, it always gives me pause when an individual speaks in such terms as "Where We Stand". Sounds rather gang like, and authoritarian.
In any case, you prove that you know very little about either socialism or democracy, or the synergistically foul and rancid result that can be expected by combining the two.
Democracy, being two wolves and sheep voting on what is for supper, and socialism's foolishness about this grandiose fallacy that everyone is equal would only set the stage for 51% idiots overruling and dictating to the masses, because one close look around, and you'll quickly discover that the idiots certainly do outnumber everyone else. The result of your socialist democracy would have the lunatics running the asylum, rather than the greedy as we do now. And I personally don't see a major improvement in such a switch ... in fact, the results are far more likely to be even worse. Socialism's never before realization of a totally equitable society, coupled with inherent evil of democracy is the most disastrous combination of failed theory meeting with a failed premise.
Whatever flavor of "socialism" you may call yourself, the one common thread among all socialists is always to call to arms to vanquish the great enemy "Capitalism". This is true of the failed Union of Soviet Socialist Republic, to China's communism. One look at the People's Republic of California would be all that a sane person would need to see to reject the liberal democratic socialist agenda ... or simply witness the Obama team in action as it applies the final death blows to the American Republic.
The great error you make here is the confusion you have with Capitalism and Corporatism ... these two things are not only NOT the same thing, but are diametrically opposing forces. We live in a "Corporatist" world (read: fascism, globalism, whatever ...), masquerading as capitalism. Capitalism is private ownership of businesses run for profit which relies on competition to stimulate invention, innovation, improvement, quality, growth, advancement, and best cost/benefit profiles. Corporatism, on the other hand thrives on elimination of competition, favoring monopolistic control of supply and profit which leads to the exact opposite ... with declining quality, safety, innovation, and the lowering of benefits at much higher prices as the easiest course to increase profit. The secret ingredient is, and always will be competition ... and it is the elimination of competition ... the creation of monopoly that is the downfall of both Corporatist and Socialist systems. The fact is, what we are seeing today IS "Socialism" being IMPOSED on the world by the globalist oligarchy, in the form of "The New World Order".
The idea of equality rings true with the globalists, just as it does with the liberal socialists. And the result is not lifting up the rest of the world to the American standard of living ... but to equally distribute third world poverty, and bring down the American standard to that of Mexico. After all, we must reduce CO2 ... and we just can't live in such an "unsustainable" way.
Their promise to the world is a world without nation states, a single world army, and a single economic system that will eliminate war for the betterment of all mankind. They propose this same system of equality across the board as do "you" the "Liberal Socialist Democrats" ... the only difference being that they don't require a 51% majority to enslave the rest. But in both instances, slavery is the result.
And it may come as a shock to many .. but there has only been brief periods when we've seen actual "Capitalism" in action ... and those times have produced some of the greatest advancements in human history. But for the majority of the time, Corporatism has ruled, via the monopolistic control of monetary systems world wide by an elitist banking cartel, who's manipulation of free market capitalism by controlling the money has created the economic crises which then allows them to swoop in and grab up all of the "capitalist" gains for themselves.
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See Socialists can use words like "LIBERTY" just like right-wingers!
Yes, but your definition of liberty is nowhere close to mine.
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There's only one problem with that. Most American's are way too lazy to do the jobs illegals are willing to do. That's a fact.
I would only support the import of illegals, if they replaced all of our government employees at minimum wage with no pensions and denied the rights to organize a union.
I would only support the import of illegals, if they replaced all of our government employees at minimum wage with no pensions and denied the rights to organize a union.
That is the truth that no worker wants to accept. Those expensive college degrees don't mean too much in this economy. Those jobs are no longer available.
I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if someone already addressed this.
People who post links should read them first. To begin with, the date in this article is Jan. 09, 14 months ago. A lot has changed since then. Secondly, read beyond the headline. Here is a little quote from that link:
"In November (2008), the unemployment rate among workers with a college degree or higher reached 3.1 percent. While that figure is modest compared with the national unemployment rate of 6.7 percent -- and nowhere near the 10.5 percent unemployment rate among those without a high school diploma -- it hasn't been that high since 2003"
So the unemployment rate for those with college degrees is (was) less than 1/3 that of those w/o a high school diploma. A degree is still helpful.
I classify myself as a scumbag, because my paycheck is earned on the backs of taxpayers.
I work in a Long Term Care/Rehab facility, largely funded by Medicare and Medicaid.
And there's any number of more intelligent scumbags within these walls. And I'm not talking about the elderly residents.
I'm talking about any number of these residents, much younger--some in their 20's or 30's, who severely abused themselves, over the years, with drugs and alcohol, and rather than being homeless, they found a way of entering these facilities where they will have 3 meals a day, a bed and roof over their heads, the rest of their lives, thanks to the generosity of taxpayers.
I ran across one resident, in her 20's, very obese, who deliberately stepped out in front of a car one day, knowing full well she'd be disabled the rest of her life. If the employment situation doesn't improve any time soon, I could easily see others doing the same. Permanent disability, deliberately done.
That puts an end to sending out job resumes!
Without unemployment checks, people would not be able to fund their job hunt or feed themselves or keep the lights on while they do.
You really don't want people who lost their jobs and don't find another within 6 months living the streets. They would turn to crime and cause all sorts of other problems, health and sanitation problems comes to mind immediately. We've already been that road, why would we go back to that?
I personally know people who are certainly not loafers who are out of work and have been for more than 6 months. Some have children to feed and lost their jobs due to things well beyond their control. I think a limit of somewhere in the range of 12-18 months is more appropriate, in this job market.
I classify myself as a scumbag, because my paycheck is earned on the backs of taxpayers.
I work in a Long Term Care/Rehab facility, largely funded by Medicare and Medicaid.
And there's any number of more intelligent scumbags within these walls. And I'm not talking about the elderly residents.
I'm talking about any number of these residents, much younger--some in their 20's or 30's, who severely abused themselves, over the years, with drugs and alcohol, and rather than being homeless, they found a way of entering these facilities where they will have 3 meals a day, a bed and roof over their heads, the rest of their lives, thanks to the generosity of taxpayers.
I ran across one resident, in her 20's, very obese, who deliberately stepped out in front of a car one day, knowing full well she'd be disabled the rest of her life. If the employment situation doesn't improve any time soon, I could easily see others doing the same. Permanent disability, deliberately done.
That puts an end to sending out job resumes!
Thank you for sharing.
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Without unemployment checks, people would not be able to fund their job hunt or feed themselves or keep the lights on while they do.
You really don't want people who lost their jobs and don't find another within 6 months living the streets. They would turn to crime and cause all sorts of other problems, health and sanitation problems comes to mind immediately. We've already been that road, why would we go back to that?
I personally know people who are certainly not loafers who are out of work and have been for more than 6 months. Some have children to feed and lost their jobs due to things well beyond their control. I think a limit of somewhere in the range of 12-18 months is more appropriate, in this job market.
There is a difference in needs of the short term and long term unemployed The long term unemployed need more money and stuff to do to keep their job skills sharp. They need a job!!! So the OP was literally 180 out of what is needed. They literally need to be put on the payroll.
I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if someone already addressed this.
People who post links should read them first. To begin with, the date in this article is Jan. 09, 14 months ago. A lot has changed since then. Secondly, read beyond the headline. Here is a little quote from that link:
"In November (2008), the unemployment rate among workers with a college degree or higher reached 3.1 percent. While that figure is modest compared with the national unemployment rate of 6.7 percent -- and nowhere near the 10.5 percent unemployment rate among those without a high school diploma -- it hasn't been that high since 2003"
So the unemployment rate for those with college degrees is (was) less than 1/3 that of those w/o a high school diploma. A degree is still helpful.
When citing figures, it's important to know what those figures mean, and what they don't mean, particularly, unemployment figures. What most don't realize is that these figures only account for those who have filed for and are receiving unemployment benefits ... and that for statistical purposes, those who's benefits have expired are no longer counted as unemployed .. though they may still not have a job. And these figures obviously don't account for the multitude of those self employed who do not qualify for unemployment, yet find their businesses in dramatic decline, and yet another group who are underemployed, working reduced hours and substantially reduced incomes.
The actual figures are hard to compile accurately, but I have heard some estimates that the overall figure of truly unemployed (meaning those that have no job) are conservatively around 17%, with another 6-12% of severely underemployed (meaning they took a job that paid substantially less than their previous job, or part timers). That brings the zero to substandard income worker situation to between 23 and 29%, and these numbers are moving in the wrong direction.
The sad truth of the matter is that those that continue to accrue educational debt under the auspices of employment opportunities that do not exist or will not exist, are going to add to the uncounted for masses of the "invisible" unemployed as these graduates enter the work arena.
The situation is dire in that these figures resemble those of the Great Depression which required WW II, plus the post war economic boom to recover from. With manufacturing almost gone in totality in this country ... a dollar that is virtually worthless and viewed so around the world, we are in a major league pickle, with unemployment compensation the LEAST OF OUR VALID WORRIES.
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