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Old 03-06-2010, 09:09 PM
 
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If Bush and Cheney truly wanted to control the oil in Iraq, then why didn't they install a puppet dictator, why the push for a domocraticly elected government?
Well, they had to change the narrative from "rid the world of WMD" rather quickly, didn't they? Doesn't work with no WMDs.

Having Bremer as viceroy over a protectorate that's spinning out of control gets embarrassing. So, the only face-saving maneuver becomes "What WMDs? This was about a Free Iraq all the time!", and so you'll need some sort of election.

Sadly, the idiots failed to vet their candidate for Friendly-PM-in-our-pocket properly. When Chalabi (remember Chalabi?) and his INC turned out to not be a sort of Iraqi Government in Exile (except, possibly, in their own minds), it turned out there was no Plan B. Real slick.

It's like they used "Duck Soup" as a how-to guide on international relations.
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Old 03-06-2010, 09:30 PM
 
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Well, they had to change the narrative from "rid the world of WMD" rather quickly, didn't they? Doesn't work with no WMDs.

Having Bremer as viceroy over a protectorate that's spinning out of control gets embarrassing. So, the only face-saving maneuver becomes "What WMDs? This was about a Free Iraq all the time!", and so you'll need some sort of election.

Sadly, the idiots failed to vet their candidate for Friendly-PM-in-our-pocket properly. When Chalabi (remember Chalabi?) and his INC turned out to not be a sort of Iraqi Government in Exile (except, possibly, in their own minds), it turned out there was no Plan B. Real slick.

It's like they used "Duck Soup" as a how-to guide on international relations.
At least the Marx Brothers were likeable.
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Old 03-06-2010, 09:42 PM
 
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As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. You haven't a clue.

If the war was "all about oil", why aren't we getting any of it?

It was never about oil. Hello? 9/11? Have you forgotten that date? Terrorism?

You leftist just want to make it about oil (even though no case can be made for such an assertion — that doesn't seem to bother you). If you could make the case, someone might listen. But we all know it's only because of your hatred for Bush that you try to make the claim.

Please tell us, what was the "shameless war profiteering"? What profiteering? Oh, are you talking about Halliburton again? The EVIL Halliburton, right? Again, you have no clue. But let me help out: Halliburton does what few other companies do, and since they built most of the equipment used in those oil fields, they know it better than anyone. Is that what you call "profiteering"? What a ridiculous claim!

I don't think we are getting one drop of oil from Iraq. If we are, we are buying it at the same price the rest of the world pays.

Why don't you people give it a rest. I think we're all a little tired of hearing about Bush and how he screwed everything up (during most of his term, our economy was very good, with low unemployment, low inflation, and low interest rates.

Look at us now, after slightly over a year with Obama. Total disaster, and getting worse every day. He's doing nothing to improve the situation, and everything to make it much worse. And he is doing it on purpose. And the Democrats are going right along (because they are all cut from the same cloth). Notihng but corruption in this administration, and this Congress.

Our very freedom is on the chopping block, and none of these leftist radicals give a damn about the Constitution. In fact, it is their purpose to destroy it.

Wake up!! Smell the coffee!
The current war with Iraq was planned long before 9/11. Read the Iraq Liberation Act, which was signed in 1998. Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, just because "we" aren't getting the oil, doesn't mean "they" aren't profiting from it. The elite don't view us as real people, just pawns in their chess game of world domination.

Don't call me a leftist either. I'm about as conservative as they come.
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Old 03-06-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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The current war with Iraq was planned long before 9/11. Read the Iraq Liberation Act, which was signed in 1998. Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, just because "we" aren't getting the oil, doesn't mean "they" aren't profiting from it. The elite don't view us as real people, just pawns in their chess game of world domination.

Don't call me a leftist either. I'm about as conservative as they come.
Precisley! The deals were struck at secret meetings and planned well in advance of Iraq's invasion. Some people are naive enough to believe that the American people were ever going to benefit in any way from this war. Weren't we told that Iraqi oil would pay for the war? What happened to that plan?

THE BUSH-CHENEY OIL WAR

Administration Plans to Steal Iraqi Oil For Mega-Rich Revealed for First Time

BUSH-CHENEY OIL

Bush-Cheney Crony Got Iraq Oil Deal
Bush-Cheney Crony Got Iraq Oil Deal | Atlantic Free Press - Hard Truths for Hard Times
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:28 PM
 
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If the war was "all about oil", why aren't we getting any of it?
The Iraqi government decided to give most of the contracts to non-U.S. companies. This was not planned. The neo-conservative strategists thought that American companies would get most of the rights.

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It was never about oil. Hello? 9/11? Have you forgotten that date? Terrorism?
Saddam was loathed by the jihadis. They thought he was a fake Muslim and he saw them as dangerous and an impediment to his dream of a Pan-Arab state headed by him. Also, his regime had nothing to do with the funding, planning, or execution of the 9/11 attacks.

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You leftist just want to make it about oil (even though no case can be made for such an assertion — that doesn't seem to bother you).
Any time we do anything in the Middle East oil is always at least in the top five reasons as to why we are doing it.

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Why don't you people give it a rest. I think we're all a little tired of hearing about Bush and how he screwed everything up (during most of his term, our economy was very good, with low unemployment, low inflation, and low interest rates.
He doubled the size of our federal debt, increased the size of the government, increased socialism in this country, and involved us in expensive foreign policy blunders which will haunt (and indebt) us for decades.

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Look at us now, after slightly over a year with Obama. Total disaster, and getting worse every day. He's doing nothing to improve the situation, and everything to make it much worse. And he is doing it on purpose.
Obama is a ****up. But, Bush was a ****up too.

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Our very freedom is on the chopping block, and none of these leftist radicals give a damn about the Constitution. In fact, it is their purpose to destroy it.
Did Bush give a damn about the Constitution when he pushed through the Medicare prescription drug plan and bloated the size of the federal government? Did he give a damn about the Constitution when his administration rammed through all kinds of invasive laws that are still with us today?
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:41 PM
 
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uhmmm,

Iraq and alqueda were connected.......iraq had nothing to do with 9/11,,,and nobody said it did, but lraq and alqueda were together on somethings
Some minor flirtations like allowing an Al Qaeda operative to chill somewhere for a while does not constitute enough of a transgression to warrant an invasion.

The U.S. has done much more damaging and horrific things in its foreign policy such as support at times for stone-cold killers and ideologues who happened to suit our purposes. We gleefully gave the Islamic Afghani mujahideen (the precursor of the Taliban and Al Qaeda) weapons in their fight against the Soviets. We gave the Contras support when we knew they were going around and murdering people.

Bottom line: Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Any alleged flirtations with Al Qaeda were so minor as to be non-existent. The jihadis and Saddam did not like each other.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:46 PM
 
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wrong

I saw the faces of the Iraqi people, and they were HAPPY that we got rid of Saddam.....


have you ever been there....do you know anything about the Iraqi people......
If you saw their faces then you know about the overt hostility that they then directed towards our forces. They might not have liked Saddam, but they sure as hell didn't like us which can be evidenced by the copious amount of attacks on our troops by both Sunni and Shia insurgents.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:48 PM
 
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Not actually getting the oil is basically just incompetent. I see no problem in ascribing all three characteristics to GWB.
Bingo. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars and lose thousands of troops and we don't even get most of the fields anyway. What a ****ing waste. At least if we had gotten the rights to most of the fields then the whole exercise might have been kind of worth it.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:52 PM
 
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If Bush and Cheney truly wanted to control the oil in Iraq, then why didn't they install a puppet dictator, why the push for a domocraticly elected government?
It was probably hoped that the "democratically elected" government would still be compliant to U.S. demands. We would have thousands of troops stationed there and we would be the main power-broker in the region - much like we are in Japan. It obviously has not worked out and foreigners now have contracts for most of the fields. It is a galling example of incompetence by the Bush administration. If you are going to war at least enjoy the spoils of it for Christ's sake.
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:21 AM
 
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Which situation did Obama invent to justify invading a sovereign state?

I'm all eyes, ready to read and I'm holding my breath.


YouTube - Democrats before Iraq War started....
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