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Old 03-10-2010, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I didn't even vote for him, but I would say he has gained an individual here for his "base." Your hatred for him works in mysterious and convoluted ways.

By the way, I live in a military community. I know plenty of soldiers who really did not feel swayed either way in the last election, feeling that their trajectory of deployments and assignments really would not be affected much by the leadership. There are many of what you would call "liberals" in the military and day to day they engage in far greater issues than you could possibly imagine, or have the courage to step up to.
They all better vote progressive this fall since so many of the under 29 people that voted for the first time in 2008 say they aren't going to vote this fall or in 2012. Those people have been completely disillusioned by the fact that they thought Obama could do all the things he promised.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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You mean the democrats had a filibuster proof majority.

When was Franken seated?
Franken was seated in July, however at that point Kennedy's health had already taken a turn for the worse, and did not make any more appearances in the Senate. Byrd also missed quite a bit of time due to illness around this time, as did Maryland Senator Barbara Mikulski (who seriously injured her hip during the summer). It wasn't until late September when Paul Kirk was appointed to Kennedy's old seat that 58 Democrats were actually in the Senate.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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They all better vote progressive this fall since so many of the under 29 people that voted for the first time in 2008 say they aren't going to vote this fall or in 2012. Those people have been completely disillusioned by the fact that they thought Obama could do all the things he promised.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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There are a lot of people on the left upset that Obama keeps caving in and moving to the center in a vain hope to compromise with Republicans. Of course the Republicans always just continue their obstructionism and nothing gets accomplished so why even bother reaching out to them? It just results in good legislation getting watered down to the point that it becomes useless and you never ever get a single Republican vote for all of your efforts so why bother?

Basically what his base wants him to do is grow a pair of balls, stand up to Republican obstructionism, and fight for the real change & reform he promised. I don't think this is to much to ask for.
Please explain to me how Republicans manage to obstruct when the Dems have 60 seats in the Senate and nearly 300 in the House. It seems to me that the obstruction crap is just that, crap. When you could carry anything because of sheer numbers and have to have the votes of the minority party to get anything done, it seems to me that there is just too much dissent among the ranks of the majority party.

Really, I would like to have you or somebody explain this to me. I just don't see how it works.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Franken was seated in July, however at that point Kennedy's health had already taken a turn for the worse, and did not make any more appearances in the Senate. Byrd also missed quite a bit of time due to illness around this time, as did Maryland Senator Barbara Mikulski (who seriously injured her hip during the summer). It wasn't until late September when Paul Kirk was appointed to Kennedy's old seat that 58 Democrats were actually in the Senate.
58 dems and two Indies that caucus with the dems = 60.

Byrd has not missed a crucial vote - they wheel him in and out for those.

So basically since July, less about a month after The Swimmers death, the democrats have had a huge majority in the house, a fili-proof majority in the Senate and the WH.

Like I said, the republicans couldn't stop anything at the time.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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58 dems and two Indies that caucus with the dems = 60.

Byrd has not missed a crucial vote - they wheel him in and out for those.

So basically since July, less about a month after The Swimmers death, the democrats have had a huge majority in the house, a fili-proof majority in the Senate and the WH.

Like I said, the republicans couldn't stop anything at the time.
They weren't exactly able to wheel out Kennedy in the month before he died.....
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Hades
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I heard mention, yesterday, of the fact that many of those young people who voted for the first time in 2008 don't plan to vote this fall. That will take lots of his support from him and move some of those freshmen House members out of their offices. Yep, he is in real trouble if he loses the under 25 voters.
Although...a serious campaign effort could bring a lot of those voters back out of the woodwork. And it's actually a serious issue. They "don't plan to vote this fall." A lot of the younger constituents would simply rather not vote when given the choice of two bad candidates (in their eyes). The issue should be about making other candidates (and parties) more viable (this bipartisan crap just sucks in the eyes of many voters) . I'm guessing that a lot of the under 25 voters simply do not see ANY hope in the bipartisan system and feel that voting for the Rep or Dem candidate is the same old b.s. I think the many layers of this issue is something older voters are not really plugged into sometimes, but it's a reality and will come to have a lot of bearing a few decades from now, if not sooner.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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All liberal are stupid. Is this Ann Coulter? How dumb does one have to be to paint everyone that is liberal as stupid? That's as ignorant as claiming that all Republicans are smart or that all blacks are athletes.
I see that you don't like to see the stuff that is thrown by many libs here getting thrown back in their face. I have been wondering for a long time when this would happen. I always tell people that I must be very uneducated since I have only two college degrees and enough hours beyond for another one. I love to see them call us stupid and uneducated, but like more seeing you howl about what is being thrown back at the progs.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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For many many months?? It was four months the GOP had a Filibuster Proof Majority, and that was counting on someone who campaigned for McCain the year prior....
I wonder if you paid any attention to what you posted there. I didn't know the GOP had one of those filibuster proof majorities.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:34 PM
 
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Please explain to me how Republicans manage to obstruct when the Dems have 60 seats in the Senate and nearly 300 in the House. It seems to me that the obstruction crap is just that, crap. When you could carry anything because of sheer numbers and have to have the votes of the minority party to get anything done, it seems to me that there is just too much dissent among the ranks of the majority party.

Really, I would like to have you or somebody explain this to me. I just don't see how it works.
I, too, have questioned all this "republican obstruction" that I hear all the liberals screaming about. Did the democrats not gain control of both houses of congress during the last two years of the Bush administration,....and add the White House in that column in 2008?

I keep hearing about the "nuclear option",...or "reconciliation",...or whatever, and the fact that the liberal democrats can effectively ram most of this healthcare boondoggle through without a single republican vote. What the hell is the holdup now?

Go ahead and do it democrats!! Go ahead Obama,...pop that whip!!!

Are the liberal democrats all getting weak-kneed? Hmmmmm.....?
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