News, Fed. Appeals Court Upholds 'Under God' in Pledge.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by saganista

Good luck with that. Nothing fails like prayer. Meanwhile my feelings simply aren't on the line every time a district court decides a case. The facts and the law happen to be squarely on the side of atheists in the Pledge matter, but the facts and the law are often not enough. Still, slaves were eventually freed, women were eventually allowed to vote and work outside the home after marriage, and the Pledge will eventually revert to its original, pre-Red Scare form -- the one that allows all Americans to recite it proudly, instead of just some.

Actully, prayer has worked quite well in a recent personal crisis.

Assuming this case gets to the USSC (which I hope it does), and the Court affirms the 9ths decision, you would, of course, support the USSC's decision I trust -

[shroombeanie]

Originally Posted by buzzpost

I take it you pretty much HATE this country; is that right?

Originally Posted by buzzpost

I think that the people you represent are pathetic myself. We need to STAY (or more aptly, REVERT) in a more AMERICAN direction.

Originally Posted by buzzpost

The atheists aren't going to get their way though. Wait and see little friend...

Originally Posted by buzzpost

Amen. The nutjobs are even brushed aside by an appeals court in of all places, San Fran Sicko...

Putting words in the mouths of others to feed your agenda is unacceptable. Better yet immoral. And your other three posts reverberate that of a second or third grader. Atheists and Agnostics are nowhere near as full of ANGER and HATE as those who are supposedly LOVED by god. Ironic at the least.

[old_cold]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Actully, prayer has worked quite well in a recent personal crisis.
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Like a gambler that is eager to tell you how much he won last week but forgets to mention the loses the other 51 weeks.

I have to admit being surprised at the decision.

[Soccersupporter]

Originally Posted by KevK

They cannot force you to say it. In fact they should state that it is strictly voluntary. We are not Nazi Germany- yet anyway.
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We have almost 3 year left still to get there.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Actully, prayer has worked quite well in a recent personal crisis.

When I was much younger, I knew a kid who asked Santa Claus for a bicycle and got one. To similar effect, apparently.

Originally Posted by Greatday

Assuming this case gets to the USSC (which I hope it does)...

Presumably Newdow would request an en banc hearing first, but with all your legal experience, you would know that. If such a request is turned down, which is probably likely even though Reinhardt is a senior judge on the 9th bench whose opinions are given considerable weight within it, then Newdow would be expected to appeal to the USSC. The chances of getting four Justices to back certiorari would be slight, given a lack of contradictory district court opinion to date, but it would be possible that some might still be embarassed enough over the Court's ducking of the case on weak issues of standing in 2002 after Newdow had clearly been the superior force at oral argument, and there could always be a judicial activist or two on the right wanting to take the case and invent new law to resolve the issue in the minds of the lower courts. Still, I would venture that the most likely scenario here is that the 9th Circuit will elect not to rehear the case, and the USSC will not take up the appeal.

Originally Posted by Greatday

...and the Court affirms the 9ths decision, you would, of course, support the USSC's decision I trust -

The law is the law, but for so long as there is an "under God" pledge and Americans who are thus deprived of an ability to recite the Pledge proudly, the matter of patent religious intrusion into what should be a purely patriotic exercise will go on. The courts may ultimately choose to redeem the Pledge, or they may not. If not, the most likely outcome is that the Pledge will slowly slide into historical obscurity through simple disuse.

[jtur88]

It matters not, since the Pledge of Allegiance has no official status. It's just a sentence, that people are free to repeat or not. Nothing in the Pledge reflects the official policy of the government of the USA.