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Old 03-15-2010, 08:16 PM
 
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The CBO has a new score of the final Senate healthcare bill, with all its amendments included, and it hasn't changed much. Over the next decade they estimate that it would lower the federal deficit by $118 billion.

But isn't this just smoke and mirrors because the bill raises taxes for ten years but only spends money for six? Nope. It also reduces the federal deficit in the full decade after 2019.
Yes, the Healthcare Bill Really Does Pay for Itself | Mother Jones

The March 11, 2010 CBO report, http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc...ter_HR3590.pdf:
CBO expects that the proposal would generate a reduction in the federal budgetary commitment to health care during the decade following 2019; that judgment is unchanged from CBO’s previous assessment.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:37 PM
 
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The healthcare bill does NOT pay for itself.. TAXPAYERS pay for it with NEW taxes...

The fact that it might lower the deficit by $118 Billion over the next decade (down from the previous TRILLION DOLLARS), is because it generates NEW taxes and takes more out of the economy...
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:42 PM
 
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Default Hell no it doesn't

Care to account for the unfunded state mandates in your statement? And are we to collect taxes for every 10 years but only provide services for 6 of each decade?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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the track record of our federal government is not austerity.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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Care to account for the unfunded state mandates in your statement? And are we to collect taxes for every 10 years but only provide services for 6 of each decade?

Media Matters blew your uninformed right wing B.S out of the water.

Will, Brooks mislead on deficit reduction in health care reform | Media Matters for America
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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The healthcare bill does NOT pay for itself.. TAXPAYERS pay for it with NEW taxes...

The fact that it might lower the deficit by $118 Billion over the next decade (down from the previous TRILLION DOLLARS), is because it generates NEW taxes and takes more out of the economy...
It expands the Federal Budget by less than 1%.

You poor babies are wetting your pants over some percieved communist takeover....LOL
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:52 PM
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I have two questions:

1. Why is the Left afraid to simply propose that we raise taxes to a level that ensures that we pay for health care for all Americans?

2. Why is the Right so convinced that the current state of affairs vis-a-vis healthcare insurance is tenable, and not headed inevitably to the consumption of our entire GNP, if not addressed?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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Care to account for the unfunded state mandates in your statement? And are we to collect taxes for every 10 years but only provide services for 6 of each decade?

Media Matters blew your uninformed right wing B.S out of the water.

Will, Brooks mislead on deficit reduction in health care reform | Media Matters for America
Uh, no. You are blinded by left wing B.S. And, you are most certainly NOT accounting for UNFUNDED STATE MANDATES. Do you even grasp what that means?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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Not the new bill. The score has not come out yet.

That is the revised estimate of the Senate bill that was passed in Dec 2009.

The amount of deficit reduction is lower and the costs are higher.

You do realize the way the dems have structured the bill to be scored is for 10 years of taxes and 6 years of services?

You know that, right?
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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Not the new bill. The score has not come out yet.

That is the revised estimate of the Senate bill that was passed in Dec 2009.

The amount of deficit reduction is lower and the costs are higher.

You do realize the way the dems have structured the bill to be scored is for 10 years of taxes and 6 years of services?

You know that, right?
CBO doesnt, but you do.
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