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Old 03-17-2010, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Who do you know who is not getting treated, right now, b/c they have Medicare? Show me some credible, primary source links.
Approximately 80% of the doctors in Alaska will not see any patient whose primary carrier is MediCare. That percentage will increase even higher now that Congress in their infinite wisdom will be paying doctors 21% less than prior MediCare claims as of March 1, 2010.

Out of 709 doctors registered in Alaska (2006 data), only 142 (only 13 of those are in Anchorage) are considered MediCare "participants." All the other doctors have opted out, and will not even treat someone who is covered by MediCare.

Sources:
http://aprn.org/2009/03/26/anchorage-doctors-turning-away-new-medicare-patients/ (broken link)

Crisis looms: Medicare coverage doesn't pay enough, doctors refuse service, and Medicare patients can't make up the difference even if they want to. | Insurance > Health Insurance from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/health-care/health-care-professionals-physicians-surgeons/5495367-1.html - broken link)

Fewer Alaska Doctors Take New Medicare Patients - by Krystle Russin - Health Care News

So I ask again, what good is having universal healthcare coverage when you cannot obtain treatment?
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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Despite being instructed regarding this issue over and over again, you guys try to obfuscate it. The bill is meant to keep insurance companies from using a long-ago pre-existing condition to deny insurance ever again.
WRONG> if that's all it did it would have passed last year.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:45 PM
 
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Hey guys, face it, eventually something has got to give. It seems many think that private insurance is the answer in ironing our healthcare delivery system. Sad fact is it is failing a rapid pace. My take is to have a mix of both. If the public option is lousy you can bet your bottom dollar the populace will raise holy hell at congress. If the for profit insurance rakes you over the coals you can raise hell all you want but will never see results like we see today with premium paying customers. If this wasn't the case we wouldn't be in the spot we are in now.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Hey guys, face it, eventually something has got to give. It seems many think that private insurance is the answer in ironing our healthcare delivery system. Sad fact is it is failing a rapid pace. My take is to have a mix of both. If the public option is lousy you can bet your bottom dollar the populace will raise holy hell at congress. If the for profit insurance rakes you over the coals you can raise hell all you want but will never see results like we see today with premium paying customers. If this wasn't the case we wouldn't be in the spot we are now.

The populace has been raising "holy hell" over THIS bill and we, the people, are ignored.

When has Congress ever relinquished power and taxes once its grab for it has been solidified into legislation? When?

People are not saying they do not want real reform, they are saying THIS bill compounds significantly more problems than it solves while simultaneously bankrupting our country and shredding our Constitution.

Obama himself stated in his interview with Baier that "just because THIS BILL will not solve the Medicare problem (a.k.a. insolvency) that this is no reason to vote against it."
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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WRONG> if that's all it did it would have passed last year.
Provide a link that shows that I'm wrong. Also show me how you know it would have passed last year.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Despite being instructed regarding this issue over and over again, you guys try to obfuscate it. The bill is meant to keep insurance companies from using a long-ago pre-existing condition to deny insurance ever again.
So you cannot answer the question?

How can insurance co's survive when people only sign up when they're sick?
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The plan also includes provisions to ensure these insurance companies don't manufacture pre-existing condition on the fly, as they have been caught doing while purging some not so fruitful consumers.

Having said that, it also proves why government must intervene and provide safety net to all people much less just those whose life and well being may have a lower price tag in the capitalistic Utopia most conservatives and republicans seem to maintain.

And if you have an issue with private companies being forced to do that, how about you start supporting public option. Or better yet, expansion of medicare to everybody who wants out of the clutches of privateers? Government already takes care of the elderly (medicare) that these insurance companies would never dare cover on their own... the same program that opposing politicians are selling to win votes.
So you cannot answer the question?

How can insurance co's survive when people only sign up to pay premiums when they're already sick?
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: nj
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Despite being instructed regarding this issue over and over again, you guys try to obfuscate it. The bill is meant to keep insurance companies from using a long-ago pre-existing condition to deny insurance ever again.
Sucker
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:03 PM
 
Location: nj
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So you cannot answer the question?

How can insurance co's survive when people only sign up to pay premiums when they're already sick?
I will buy after I am sick , I hope never . It will bring them down , watch the market as it is about to go into effect , ( 3yrs? ).
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Here's a thought. Why don't you try that with your auto insurance and tell us how that works out? No need to pay for coverage on days you don't actually drive.
There's nothing in the bill to prevent that and if the fine is smaller then the premium then that would be the wiser thing to do.

Pay the fine until you NEED insurance and then go get it via Uncle Sam because you cannot be denied.

One could save a bundle of money that way. Insurance loses as the cost of care could easily top 10x the amount of 1 month premium.

FINALLY, a loophole for the common man
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