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Old 03-17-2010, 10:04 PM
 
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Many supporters love what's in the health care bill-------affordable premiums, you can't be dropped, guaranteed coverage regardless of health risk.

What if someone suggested the auto insurance operated the same way-----------affordable premiums, you can't be dropped, guaranteed coverage regardless of driving record.

Any sane person would say that's a pipe dream cuz car insurance companies would soon be broke and out of business ( same premiums regardless of risk)

Yes, I have sympathy for people who have major illness or major injury, but what Obama is preaching doesn't add up.

If it would be a disaster for auto insurance companies, how is it supposed to work for health insurance companies ?
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: California
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Simple minded, insecure people want guarantees in life. Thats just how it is. People who lack confidence in themselves succeeding want to be reassured that they will always get what they need... healthcare, job, food, shelter etc...

Health insurance does need to be reformed, I think everyone can agree with that, however it should be done by patchwork regulations and simple fixes to known problems, NOT by creating an entirely new government system.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:21 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Simple minded, insecure people want guarantees in life. Thats just how it is. People who lack confidence in themselves succeeding want to be reassured that they will always get what they need... healthcare, job, food, shelter etc...

Health insurance does need to be reformed, I think everyone can agree with that, however it should be done by patchwork regulations and simple fixes to known problems, NOT by creating an entirely new government system.
Now there's a bold approach: patchwork regulations.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Midwestern Dystopia
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Health insurance does need to be reformed, I think everyone can agree with that,

o' really?
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:41 PM
 
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Many supporters love what's in the health care bill-------affordable premiums, you can't be dropped, guaranteed coverage regardless of health risk.

What if someone suggested the auto insurance operated the same way-----------affordable premiums, you can't be dropped, guaranteed coverage regardless of driving record.

Any sane person would say that's a pipe dream cuz car insurance companies would soon be broke and out of business ( same premiums regardless of risk)

Yes, I have sympathy for people who have major illness or major injury, but what Obama is preaching doesn't add up.

If it would be a disaster for auto insurance companies, how is it supposed to work for health insurance companies ?
There really isn't much of a similarity. The two shouldn't be equated. In regards to health insurance, if you get sick and are dropped, if you exceed your cap or if your rates rise to a point where you can't afford it, you may not get the treatment or medicines you need and you may die because of it. Very different than car insurance.

It's not enough to just say you have sympathy for people in these situations. People with diabetes shouldn't die in this country because they can't afford insulin. Schizophrenics shouldn't be roaming our streets psychotic because they have exceeded their mental health cap and have no way to get the anti psychotic meds that could allow them to lead decent lives. Old people shouldn't have to break their blood pressure pills in half to make them last through the month.

Almost every other industrialized country has a national health care system to ensure that these situations don't occur. Why can't we?
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:57 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's not the insurance companies, it is the F'n Progressive based entitlements the government doesn't pay for in full.

Doctors make up the lost cost, on the backs of those with insurance.

It is a catch 22, that is never ending, as long as the government is involved in providing free healthcare for the elderly.

There is a reason, many many doctors have dropped taking entitlement patients.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:00 PM
 
Location: California
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Now there's a bold approach: patchwork regulations.
And your solution is what? Let the government run the show? Cuz that worked out GREAT as you can see with Medicare and practically every other government run social program....

Oh but Ryanst530, DENMARK does it... why cant we??? Well DENMARK also has the highest tax rate in the world. DENMARK is also much smaller both in population and land size. Much easier to run government programs in smaller countries. DENMARK is also highly reliant on exports, which means their success (and the success of other Scandinavian countries) is highly reliant on the countries who buy their products, i.e. the US. DENMARK and many other countries around the world, also depend HEAVILY on the US for our world leading scientific advancement capability and innovation driven by the PRIVATE SECTOR.

So, before you bring it up, I don't want to hear about the comparisons to Scandinavian countries already. I'm sick of it. We aren't Scandinavia! We, or atleast most of us, don't want to BE Scandinavia either!
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:22 PM
 
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And your solution is what? Let the government run the show? Cuz that worked out GREAT as you can see with Medicare and practically every other government run social program....

Oh but Ryanst530, DENMARK does it... why cant we??? Well DENMARK also has the highest tax rate in the world. DENMARK is also much smaller both in population and land size. Much easier to run government programs in smaller countries. DENMARK is also highly reliant on exports, which means their success (and the success of other Scandinavian countries) is highly reliant on the countries who buy their products, i.e. the US. DENMARK and many other countries around the world, also depend HEAVILY on the US for our world leading scientific advancement capability and innovation driven by the PRIVATE SECTOR.

So, before you bring it up, I don't want to hear about the comparisons to Scandinavian countries already. I'm sick of it. We aren't Scandinavia! We, or atleast most of us, don't want to BE Scandinavia either!
OK, let's not mention any Scandinavian countries. But, maybe we should at least comtemplate the rest of the world. We are basically the ONLY advanced country that doesn't have some form of nationalized health care.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Get over it you cry babies. This thing is going to pass.

Don't like it? Vote.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:31 PM
 
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o' really?
Can you show one post where someone said that we don't need reform? Everyone wants reform; most people, however, do not want government take over.
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