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Old 03-23-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Read it and weep.

"Here's the surprise: since 2001 we have lost more tech jobs than manufacturing jobs! -- We lost 628,000 tech jobs -26 percent of all jobs displaced by trade- between 2001 and 2008."

So much for highly skilled technical jobs being safe, NOT!
They started leaving in 1996 with the call centers.
Fast forward to today and the US multinationals are building and funding R&D over in India. They do complete projects now from start to finish.

$25K for a PhD in Computer Science..can't beat that.

Been in the field for 20+ years. Currently going to school to retrain for something that's touchy-feelie that won't get offshored.

 
Old 03-23-2010, 08:41 PM
 
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The US needs to create more green jobs.

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"Green jobs" programs in Spain lost three jobs for every two created. That is change that we can believe in. Tell me again- what is the unemployment rate in Spain now?

Why duplicate the mistakes of another country. Why don't we follow the model of China, since the libs love communism so much, and just use slave labor like they do. Sounds great.
 
Old 03-23-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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"Green jobs" programs in Spain lost three jobs for every two created. That is change that we can believe in. Tell me again- what is the unemployment rate in Spain now?

Why duplicate the mistakes of another country. Why don't we follow the model of China, since the libs love communism so much, and just use slave labor like they do. Sounds great.
So you asking for a repeat of the last decade under Junior's stellar leadership?
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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They started leaving in 1996 with the call centers.
Fast forward to today and the US multinationals are building and funding R&D over in India. They do complete projects now from start to finish.

$25K for a PhD in Computer Science..can't beat that.

Been in the field for 20+ years. Currently going to school to retrain for something that's touchy-feelie that won't get offshored.
Happy, you still might be interested in this.

"Meanwhile, a global tech junta secretly carries out its "Dirty War" -- 20 years now -- against American scientific and technical professionals, continually inventing domestic laws to disappear us.

Mischaracterized by beltway insiders as "guest worker" programs, this misnomer camouflages the ugly truth: these visas are for companies -- not workers.

Corporate visa laws, written by lobbyists, have digitally re-mastered Jim Crow.

We successfully lobbied Senator Durbin (D-IL) to introduce H-1b and L-1 Reform legislation (S.887). It will stop the legal discrimination by requiring companies to seek local talent and force them to post their job openings on DOL's web site. S.887 promises to end the displacement of Americans and the outsourcing of American jobs."


I don't know how the free trade nuts are going rationalize against this one.

But they will.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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And the plot thickens.

"But it was an even sweeter deal for companies–many of them U.S.-based multinationals–who chose China as an export platform. And their profit came at the expense of American workers.

The biggest job losses come not from low-tech industries that have famously lost many jobs to Chinese exports, such as apparel and textile, but from high-tech computers and electronics (which accounted for 40 percent of the growth of the trade deficit with China from 2001 to 2008), Scott reports. There were also large job losses in other manufacturing and metalworking industries, as well as some service industries, such as administrative support and professional, scientific and technical services (about 139,000 jobs lost). "


I wonder why I never hear any calls for our corporate neighbors (they are persons after all, thank you SCOTUS) to be patriotic.

Maybe its because they are citizens of the world.

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Old 03-26-2010, 02:58 PM
 
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A good discussion on how to stimulate innovation to create industry.

"The problem of weak job creation certainly can’t be due to increased business taxes and regulation, since both were slashed during the Bush years. Nor can the explanation be insufficient consumer demand; throughout most of the last decade, consumers and the federal government engaged in a consumption binge of world-historical proportions."
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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One must keep in mind before Ms. HuffPo became Ms. HuffPo, she was an economist major.

"America is rich with resources -- both natural and human -- but we can no longer afford to utilize them so inefficiently. We can't afford to be the only nation in the industrialized world in which half the country doesn't have access to broadband. We can't afford to allow other nations to take the lead in creating a green economy. And we can't afford to keep making it so hard for people with job-creating ideas to start their businesses here."

A very intelligent and savvy woman indeed.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 09:40 PM
 
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Once again the myth of free trade is destroying middle class America.

"There's a reason China is emerging as a world leader in renewable energy technology and the United States isn't. It's because China finds ways to protect and nurture emerging industries and the U.S. doesn't.

China passed a stimulus bill that includes $7 billion in funds for wind energy. Foreign wind-energy companies complain they're being shut out of the bidding. That's because the Chinese set rules that favor home-grown companies. And that's exactly what we should be doing, instead of whining about "protectionism" while we shovel money at Chinese enterprises."
 
Old 03-29-2010, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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kovert,


it looks like we agree on something

freetrade sucks

freetrade has killed us....starting with carter, expanded under reagan, bush1, clinton, bush2, and now more with obama

50 million jobs lost since nafta was passed in dec 1993 and signed into law..and the dozen other free trade agreements, to include clinton getting china into the world bank, and obama's ofta (freetrade with oman)

all are following the brzezinski model...funnything is that carter/bush1/clinton/bush2/ and obama all students of brzezinski and the CFR, TLC...yet the nation fights a dem-vs-rep war..when it doesnt matter
 
Old 03-30-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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kovert,


it looks like we agree on something

freetrade sucks

freetrade has killed us....starting with carter, expanded under reagan, bush1, clinton, bush2, and now more with obama

50 million jobs lost since nafta was passed in dec 1993 and signed into law..and the dozen other free trade agreements, to include clinton getting china into the world bank, and obama's ofta (freetrade with oman)

all are following the brzezinski model...funnything is that carter/bush1/clinton/bush2/ and obama all students of brzezinski and the CFR, TLC...yet the nation fights a dem-vs-rep war..when it doesnt matter
When it comes to preventing America from becoming banana republic, partisanship should take a back seat, and the debate should be over who has the most viable solutions.

"Unless the administration wants to see its most loyal friends become a real loyal opposition, it must take immediate and robust actions to help American workers by:

• Giving the nation that industrial policy.

• Making our trade deals fairer and then more strictly enforcing them.

• Enacting strong and enforceable "Buy American" legislation.

• Adopting 'Roosevelt-Kennedy' style jobs programs in order to get Americans who want to work back to work immediately."
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