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Old 04-13-2010, 07:40 AM
 
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As well this doctor shortage in addition to pushing up wait times will also push up prices with scarcity in supply of labor.

This bill absolutely needs to be repealed. Swing voters voted to stop the Iraq war, not create yet more huge interference and problems in the healthcare sector.


"The new federal health-care law has raised the stakes for hospitals and schools already scrambling to train more doctors.
Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges. "
U.S. Faces Shortage of Doctors - WSJ.com

Repeal the healthcare bill.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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As well this doctor shortage in addition to pushing up wait times will also push up prices with scarcity in supply of labor.

This bill absolutely needs to be repealed. Swing voters voted to stop the Iraq war, not create yet more huge interference and problems in the healthcare sector.


"The new federal health-care law has raised the stakes for hospitals and schools already scrambling to train more doctors.
Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges. "
U.S. Faces Shortage of Doctors - WSJ.com

Repeal the healthcare bill.
That would be a good solution? Prohibit people from access to Health Care, to make sure those that do have access, won't have to wait in line. It wouldn't dawn on some of you, to make access to training new Doctors easier, may be a better approach.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:04 AM
 
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That would be a good solution? Prohibit people from access to Health Care, to make sure those that do have access, won't have to wait in line. It wouldn't dawn on some of you, to make access to training new Doctors easier, may be a better approach.
They are training more of course - that's in the article, but that takes time and the more important point is that by moving even more to a system that puts no natural limits on demand (ie: more people who have others paying for healthcare so they have no incentive to limit their use) the demand will always outpace the supply.

You know bob, the history of healthcare in America is very interesting, each time government has interfered (ie: Patients Rights Act, HMO Act) the problems have only gotten worse. Yet ironically more blame to the ever-shrinking "free market".
It needs to stop and go the other way with less government once again, which while imperfect is still better.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Only a conservative could think that providing health care coverage for people who now can't afford it is a bad thing.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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Shortage of doctors, the insurance companies have been calling the shots for the last 10 years. I had a friend quit practicing for that reason. RP
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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Shortage of doctors, the insurance companies have been calling the shots for the last 10 years. I had a friend quit practicing for that reason. RP
I dated a girl in the early 90s who chose the biotechnology/intelligence field over medical school because, at the time, medical malpractice liability was reaching fever pitch and the risk didn't make fiscal sense to her. She was nearly a genius, and would have made an excellent doctor. This is purely anecdotal, of course, but on the macro level its evidence that current affairs and industry concerns hold plenty of sway when a person comes to the crossroads of whether to enter the field or not.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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That would be a good solution? Prohibit people from access to Health Care, to make sure those that do have access, won't have to wait in line. It wouldn't dawn on some of you, to make access to training new Doctors easier, may be a better approach.
Sure..how about a home correspondence course..you know..become a VCR Repairman, Air Conditioning Repair, Doctor, Surgeon. Wow I feel so European already..I think I'll pick up an accent.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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How about, until we are able to educate more people to become doctors, we prioritize the medical needs of people rather than prioritizing their wallets.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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They are training more of course - that's in the article, but that takes time and the more important point is that by moving even more to a system that puts no natural limits on demand (ie: more people who have others paying for healthcare so they have no incentive to limit their use) the demand will always outpace the supply.

You know bob, the history of healthcare in America is very interesting, each time government has interfered (ie: Patients Rights Act, HMO Act) the problems have only gotten worse. Yet ironically more blame to the ever-shrinking "free market".
It needs to stop and go the other way with less government once again, which while imperfect is still better.
"natural limits on demand", you are kidding, right? The ability to pay is somehow a desirable natural selection process that preserves the availability of care to only those divined to be worthy.

"ever shrinking free market", you do realize that an increasing demand for services will result in growing the free market. That pretty much is the free market system, demand creates supply. Govt does, and will continue, to exercise influences that will allow that supply to grow.

"imperfect is still better", for who?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The old system (I say old, because the HRB changed this), created a doctor shortage.

Insurance didn't pay for preventative care. This made people only go to the doctor when they were sick, or in need of serious medical care. Hence, the EXPLOSION of specialists out there, and the shortage of family care doctors.

Now that insurance companies have to pay for preventative care, this will create a demand for family doctors, and lowering the need for specialists, because people will prevent the extreme health conditions that were created from no care before.
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