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Sorry. Health care rationing is not that forgiving. Can you imagine a 70 year old patient receiving a kidney transplant under a government run health care plan? The only way to save money is to deny expensive services like dialysis and transplant to people deemed to be too old or too ill to be worthy of the services.
Bullshyt!
Kidneys will be a dime a dozen when everyone has to sell theirs to make their insurance payment.
he works at the clinic 4 days a week and the old folks home 1 day a week.
That's pretty cool.
My hat is off to him.
We need MORE doctors like him - and LESS doctors who's primary concern is the almighty dollar.
I understand that doctors have right to support their families well too - but I'm of the opinion that if making money is your PRIMARY reason for going into medicine then perhaps you should have become an investment banker instead - and far too often I think that doctor's PRIMARY reason for going into medicine is to MAKE BIG MONEY.
Yeah, My wife works in the field. It is hard to find a Doctor that is happy with this.
I work in that field. None of the five docs I work with has had a lot to say about this plan. None are planning to leave medicine over it. One said they'll have to learn a different set of rules. There are rules in insurance.
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What shock and awe? Their position has been clear for some time..
The AMA represents approx 25% of all physicians. Of that, over 1/3 are students/residents...
Their endorsement is neither surprising nor relevant.
I think it is relevant. The AMA still has a lot of influence, even if most docs don't belong to it.
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I love how the left thinks they are clever by assuming doctors who leave the practice of medicine will be reduced to walmart greeters or fast food workers. It just shows that the left lacks common sense but then most of us already knew that.
Just what do you think they will do? There are not that many academic jobs out there teaching medicine. Most aren't qualified to teach the sciences in college b/c they don't have PhDs in a science field. Teaching science in high school requires a license, the pay is significantly less, and there are already more people looking for teaching jobs than there are jobs.
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He will take a job in the super-compensated insurance, legal or financial industries. There are many opportunities for doctors. Once they realize how much easier it is to take a cushy job, and not run an office working massive overtime, they will defect en masse. Consumers will pay the price.
Don't they all know that now? What keeps them in medicine? There is not an abundance of jobs in insurance, they do not have law degrees, could only be consultants, and many don't know jack about finance.
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Doctors do not want to be told how to treat patients. That is the bottom line. This legislation will have a treatment template for doctors to follow.
This is about as nuts as saying that 70 year olds won't get transplants. They are being told how to take care of pts now. There are treatment templates now (usually called algorithms).
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Have you ever heard of doctors getting teaching appointments or working for insurance companies? They will probably make more as an employee there than they will trying to maintain a private practice under this health care reform bill. Just a thought, they will lay off all employees when they close their private practices.
HOw many teaching appointments do you think there are out there? Most of those docs have advanced educations, beyond the MD. Yes, there are a few jobs in insurance, certainly not enough to absorb the supposedly 1/3 of doctors that will quit if this is passed.
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And insurance companies don't do that NOW?
Ken
Agreed.
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9 out of 10 times we have been able to get the insurance companies to approve previously denied services. For the one percent that didn't we gave the patient a letter they could send to the state insurance commissioner.
A couple of interesting observations regarding that "poll". The second quote below (point #4 in the article) in particular seems precisely right. Reporting results before they are all tabulated is NOT proper polling - and reeks of someone attempting to manipulate opinion rather than actually report it.
"As we learned during the Presidntial campaign -- when, among other things, they had John McCain winning the youth vote 74-22 -- the IBD/TIPP polling operation has literally no idea what they're doing. I mean, literally none. For example, I don't trust IBD/TIPP to have competently selected anything resembling a random panel, which is harder to do than you'd think."
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"They say, somewhat ambiguously: "Responses are still coming in." This is also highly unorthodox. Professional pollsters generally do not report results before the survey period is compete."
And here's yet another example of what we can expect post Obamacare: Doctor shortage looms as primary care loses its pull - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-08-17-doctor-gp-shortage_N.htm - broken link)
And yet another dire statistic...
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The number of U.S. medical school students going into primary care has dropped 51.8% since 1997, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)
No, it is one percent Katiana. I would love to speak with the primary care doctors for whom you work.
And I'd like to speak with your MATH TEACHER - because you are clearly very very bad at math.
Here is what you said:
"9 out of 10 times we have been able to get the insurance companies to approve previously denied services. For the one percent that didn't we gave the patient a letter they could send to the state insurance commissioner."
Let me spell it out for you step by step.
1) If "9 out of 10 times we have been able to get the insurance companies to approve previously denied services" that means that 1 of of 10 times you were not able to do so.
2) 1 out of 10 times is 10% - not 1%. 1% would be 1 out of 100 times.
9 out of 10 (from your post) is 90%. That leaves 10%. 1 out of 10 is 10%, not 1%.
So can we set up a conference call with your primary care docs and my docs?
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