Article I Section 7/healthcare bill (illegal, drug, health care, Reid)
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The senate passed a completely different bill than what the house just passed. Read it if you don't believe me. More than just "amendments," the differences.
Why do you assume that because someone doesn't agree with you they must not have read the bill?
I have read it, and I still don't believe you. Call it a difference of opinion, I guess.
Okay - the simple answer from OpenCongress didn't work. Here's the complicated one, from Wikipedia.
The House passed a health care bill, H.R. 3962 - the Affordable Health Care for America Act - on 11/7/09.
The Senate (for reasons I don't know) didn't debate that bill, and the Senate couldn't just create a new bill, since that would violate the Constitutional provision that all revenue-related bills must start in the House. Instead, they used another House bill, H.R. 3590, as the "vehicle" for their version of health care reform.
The House bill was the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009, a revenue-related change to the IRS code. The Senate kept the number of the bill (H.R. 3590), renamed it (the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), and completely changed the content. They passed this bill on 12/24/09.
The House, yesterday, passed the same bill - H.R. 3590 - as the Senate.
Both chambers have now passed the same revenue-related bill (H.R. 3590) that originated in the House.
Okay - the simple answer from OpenCongress didn't work. Here's the complicated one, from Wikipedia.
The House passed a health care bill, H.R. 3962 - the Affordable Health Care for America Act - on 11/7/09.
The Senate (for reasons I don't know) didn't debate that bill, and the Senate couldn't just create a new bill, since that would violate the Constitutional provision that all revenue-related bills must start in the House. Instead, they used another House bill, H.R. 3590, as the "vehicle" for their version of health care reform.
The House bill was the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009, a revenue-related change to the IRS code. The Senate kept the number of the bill (H.R. 3590), renamed it (the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), and completely changed the content. They passed this bill on 12/24/09.
The House, yesterday, passed the same bill - H.R. 3590 - as the Senate.
Both chambers have now passed the same revenue-related bill (H.R. 3590) that originated in the House.
But it was an entirely different bill. Whatever. I'll be interested in seeing how the courts view this tactic (because it is going to court, and I'm sure this will be raised).
But it was an entirely different bill. Whatever. I'll be interested in seeing how the courts view this tactic (because it is going to court, and I'm sure this will be raised).
I'll be interested too but since both bills started in the House it probably doesn't matter which one the Senate passed, both met the requirement apparently. I'm sure this and much more will be challenged in court though.
Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) took an existing HOUSE-passed bill, H.R.3950–the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009–and here’s how it unfolded:
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0/8/2009:
Received in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time.
10/13/2009: Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 175.
11/19/2009: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure made in Senate. (consideration: CR S11578)
11/19/2009: Cloture motion on the motion to proceed to the bill presented in Senate. (consideration: CR S11578; text: CR S11578)
11/20/2009: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure considered in Senate. (consideration: CR S11826-11879, S11888-11903)
11/21/2009: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure considered in Senate. (consideration: CR S11907-11967)
11/21/2009: Cloture on the motion to proceed to the bill invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 60 - 39. Record Vote Number: 353. (consideration: CR S11967; text: CR S11967)
11/21/2009: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.
11/21/2009: Measure laid before Senate by motion. (consideration: CR S11967)
11/21/2009: S.AMDT.2786 Amendment SA 2786 proposed by Senator Reid. (consideration: CR S11967)
Harry Reid switched the language in H.R. 3590 and replaced it with the Senate’s version of the health care system takeover in order to satisfy the requirement for all legislation raising taxes to originate in the House.
It's really too simple. The House passed a bill and sent to the Senate. The Senate modified the bill with its own already passed language and returned it to the House which passed Sunday nite. A usual process.
I'm just looking forward to all of these lawyers sitting around with their large egos and miniscule brains attempting to reconcile this ghastly trainwreck of a bill.
But it was an entirely different bill. Whatever. I'll be interested in seeing how the courts view this tactic (because it is going to court, and I'm sure this will be raised).
Veteran House and Senate Democrats spent 14 months getting this bill passed. Do you honestly think they overlooked the Constitutional requirement?
Just because you're not familiar with the arcane rules of how legislation gets passed doesn't mean they aren't. You, arguably, are an expert in homesteading in the Arctic. Reid and Pelosi are experts in drafting legislation that passes constitutional muster. Save yourself some teeth-gnashing and give up on this one.
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