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Old 03-22-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I said in another thread, that the people mostly at fault for Socialized Medicine being imposed on us on 21 Mar 2010, were REPUBLICANS. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy, and it is us. Republicans should have known better than to start acting like Democrats, and legislate in ways that got them kicked out in 2006 and 2008, thus letting the barbarians enter the gates of Constitutional government.

So, what do we do to prevent this from happening in the future?

The airwaves are full of predictions that scores of Democrats will lose their Congressional elections this November after arrogantly ignoring the will of the people with this imposition of Socialized Medicine. Possibly even that Republicans will get majorities in one or both houses after the votes are counted. It happened in 1993/1994, when Democrats tried to impose a similar Socialized Medicine program on the country, and failed. The House and Senate were given Republican majorities in the next election, practically for the first time in 60 years.

And this time, the Democrats have actually SUCCEEDED in imposing socialism, flatly against the Constitution and the will of the people. So
Republicans should be a shoe-in this time, shouldn't they?

Well, that's not as likely as it may sound.

Republicans had two advantages in the 1994 election, that they don't have now:

1.) A plan for practical policies they presented to the public, that made large numbers want to vote FOR them, and not just AGAINST Democrats. This plan was also one of the rare times when politicians made promises and actually kept every one of them.

2.) A pretty good legislative record of low taxes, reduced government, low spending, and protecting the rights of the people. The spending binges of the 1980s were caused by House majority Democrats who reneged on their promises to then-President Reagan to balance the budget, and racked up huge debts despite rising government revenues, under threat of killing Reagan's military restoration.

Republicans don't have either of these advantages today. The lack of a good legislative record, is a cross mostly of their own making, as they themselves went on huge spending binges in the 2000's as they tried to out-Democrat the Democrats - the very acts that got the Republicans kicked out in 2006 and 2008. Republicans will have to bear this cross inn the 2010 elections - they can't turn the clock back.

And they don't have any coherent plan they can present to the American people, as good reasons to vote for them. "We aren't as bad as Democrats!" is going to ring a little hollow - people heard that throughout the 2000's, and we saw the result in 2006 and 2008.

The "Contract with America" - a list of bills the majority Democrats had kept bottled up in committees in Congress after Congress, never letting them onto the floor for a vote, that Republicans promised WOULD be voted on if people elected them - wasn't introduced until nearly the middle of 1994. This turned out to be a propitious time, as the idea took hold, gained momentum, and peaked in time to sweep Republicans into majorities in both Houses.

It's not quite the middle of 2010 now. But Republicans had better be working on some kind of unifying plan NOW, if they want to present it with the organization needed to push it through by May or June. And "We will repeal the Socialized Medicine plan" is a dangerous one. It will give the leftists a chance to scream, "See? See? Republicans are trying to take away your Health Care!!!", consonant with their long-cherished conviction that if Government doesn't provide something, nobody will provide it.

A proposal like, "We will improve your Health Care by cutting down on insane lawsuit awards, removing the draconian fines and govt forcing you into plans you don't want, and allowing competition across state lines, etc." might gain more traction... and, for the first time, offer people a plan they actually want.

Are Republicans a shoe-in for Congressional majorities after the Democrat imposition of mandatory Socialized Medicine?

NO.

Not unless they get their **** together in one hell of a hurry, and do it right.

Which I've seen no signs of their doing so far.
The Republicans are a joke. Most Americans that don't spend their days glued to Rush, Hannity, Beck, Boortz and Gallahger know that. They knew that when the Republicans put Palin on the ticket last time. And they know it now.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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After that, get some candidates who'll run a campaign based on ideas rather than the McCarthyesque fear-mongering that has become the norm.
Thank you!

All I see from the GOP and fear tactics and obstruction. The country doesn't need that. The country needs the GOP to offer IDEAS, not just the word NO. I want to have good choices when I vote.

Good candidates with good ideas help make one another even better candidates with even better ideas, and no matter who wins the election, the people win, and the country moves forward.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Exactly right.

I saw my votes in 2008 start to pay off yesterday.
ok, so could you please tell me, what exactly does all this free health care entail? Do you know? What is in all 2,000 pages of that bill?
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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The Republicans are a joke. Most Americans that don't spend their days glued to Rush, Hannity, Beck, Boortz and Gallahger know that. They knew that when the Republicans put Palin on the ticket last time. And they know it now.
well, the dems aren't any better, and anyone who believes so, is just plain asleep....
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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Exactly right.

I saw my votes in 2008 start to pay off yesterday.
and your kids will be paying them back with interest. congrats.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Being that socialized medicine wasnt passed yesterday, I dont know exactly what your talking about.

Stop paying attention to fear mongering and actually read what is in the bill. It's not that hard. You can type so I am guessing you can also read.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Its really fun to watch the greedy, self centered Republicans spontaneously combust over this issue of healthcare.

Hopefully when all of the rhetoric of their leaders (Rush and Glenn) dies down maybe they will accept the fact that healthcare reform is a blessing for Americans.
So true calipoppy.

Also Republicans need to find away to work with this administration. They need to sit down with O with new ideas to help our country. It shouldn't only be about politics. Ofcourse I'm talking about both parties.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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Being that socialized medicine wasnt passed yesterday, I dont know exactly what your talking about.

Stop paying attention to fear mongering and actually read what is in the bill. It's not that hard. You can type so I am guessing you can also read.
you talking to me?

If so, I've read a much as I can stomach of that Travesty Bill. have you?

Did you see any eye-popping nonsense? I did. care to compare notes?
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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1st and foremost, kick the lunatic fringe cult of Beck to the curb and anyone else that wants the US to be a theocratic Christian fundamentalist state and/or a feudal system with corporations running their own personal fiefdoms.

Read up on the true history (pre1994 (http://www.gop.com/index.php/learn/accomplishment/ - broken link)) of the Republican party and their accomplishments.

And start coming up with viable solutions to America's problem.

Republicans had a good track record of protecting small business and entrepreneurs from being devoured by the TBTF of bygone years. True Republicans and conservatives have to remember that.
Thank you for that, Kev


Rush and Beck are tainting more than helping
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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and your kids will be paying them back with interest. congrats.
Just like they will with our defense spending.

Interest on debt incurred in past wars is $57.7–$228.1 billion a YEAR.

Department of Defense spending will be $721.3 billion for 2011 which includes Base budget and Overseas Contingency Operations.

Total Mandatory defense spending will be $1.003–$1.223 trillion JUST for the year 2011.

In inflation-adjusted dollars and including war costs, the 2011 Pentagon budget request is 13 percent higher than the Korea War peak, 33 percent higher than the Vietnam War peak a YEAR.

When including war costs, Pentagon spending has grown by 70 percent in real terms since 2001.
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