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View Poll Results: Would you like to see the U.S. split up?
Yes 40 37.04%
No 58 53.70%
Not sure 10 9.26%
Voters: 108. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-23-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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And rest assured, if that happens, Republicans will claim that Americans now embrace Republican policy goals.
And why do we allow it? Why will it take us all being enslaved to finally stand up and say enough? Oops, too late oh $hit.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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And rest assured, if that happens, Republicans will claim that Americans now embrace Republican policy goals.
Yep. And the cycle will start all over.

However, anybody who declares himself a card-carrying member of either party by this point is a pathetic sheep following the herd.

I believe strongly at this point that any conscientious voter should vote against any incumbent. Because the true problem in all these debates has less to do with liberal vs. conservative and Republican vs. Democrat and a lot more to do with the entrenched interests of a ruling political class who keep growing the government (And the accompanying national debt) far beyond sustainability.

Both political parties are guilty of it, and the clock is running out. And anybody who points to the other political party and says "It's their fault!" is really not a serious person, but rather the dupe of a corrupt and cynical system.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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Republican-lite, perhaps? But unless you follow the creed of true believers\ patriots you are not welcomed in the Republican party of today. Rush is the voice of the GOP just as much as Palin, Cheney, Bachmann, the congressmen who scream "you lie" to the president & "baby killer" to a Catholic Democrat or racial slurs and sexual profanity. That is what America is hearing from Republicans and it is not being received well! Decent Republicans left the GOP in 2008; now only the bottom-dwellers exist and they are truly "ugly Americans".
Oh, please. Equally terrible things have been said by nitwit Democrats. You just have selective hearing.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Republican-lite, perhaps? But unless you follow the creed of true believers\ patriots you are not welcomed in the Republican party of today. Rush is the voice of the GOP just as much as Palin, Cheney, Bachmann, the congressmen who scream "you lie" to the president & "baby killer" to a Catholic Democrat or racial slurs and sexual profanity. That is what America is hearing from Republicans and it is not being received well! Decent Republicans left the GOP in 2008; now only the bottom-dwellers exist and they are truly "ugly Americans".
What do you expect they're politicians do you understand how politics works at all? I'm not asking that to be ugly but seriously. Think about it.

If I won the powerball lotto of 350 M and gave it all to any third party candidates it still wouldn't be enough even with all our combined fortunes to make a difference because not only would it be the equivalent of salmon swimming upstream on crack, most of the general populace wouldn't support them. Oh no things aren't that bad yet. HELLOOOOO how damn bad does it have to get????
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:44 PM
 
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Heyyy...Can you hear me down thereeeee......?

Things don't sound too good south of the border.....You guys are talking gloom too much.....

- Heres a notion :
- instead of telling the world that you are thinking of "breaking up" and
drying up whats left in investment confidence , not to mention the falling buck.......
- maybe our relatives overseas had a good idea when they went Euro
- why can't NA follow with one currency ?
- will it stimulate positive change, perhaps.
- maybe we only need "one country" as well
- immigration and illegals are laughing at both countries
- lets get tough and demonstrate unity, not division
- NA has too many evolving mutual problems to endure the
division of yet Two countries...I think alot could go forward
- Will it eventually happen ? the answer is yes it will , so why wait ?
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Oh, please. Equally terrible things have been said by nitwit Democrats. You just have selective hearing.
Think about this for a minute. Why do you think we as a people have come to the point where we actually believe we should be divided? Of course during the civil war there was a very substantial reason for it. People's money and livelihood. But do you not see that is no longer the issue. Now, it's more an issue of those in power and those not. Those with wealth and those without. Seems to me those with wealth and power are increasingly stripping it from those without. The great majority of us are all in the same, damn boat. Sure, some of us are Liberal leaning and some Conservative but I gurantee you after 3-4 good glasses of single malt, you'll find we're all pretty damn similar.

So, whats gotten us to this point? In a mere 60 years?
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Oh, please. Equally terrible things have been said by nitwit Democrats. You just have selective hearing.
If that is your only come back then you have already lost respect. It's OK for these ugly people to scream profanities and threatened violence because people hated Bush for his stupidity. The overall theme in all of this is stupidity btw. Anyone who thinks that their militias will take over the U.S. government is as delusional at the Jihadists committing suicide while murdering hundreds of people because Allah promised "70 virgins." Frankly I can hardly wait for the first violence to break out and how quickly the FBI will put an end to it via Waco, baby!!
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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Default split up

I think that if the US split up in an amicable, peaceful way it would be fine. The country is divided philisophically to such an extent and at such a deep level that a division is a perfectly reasonable way to proceed. I would move to the new sunny, warm, Constitutional part in a minute. And the lefties, socialists, gay righters, affirmative actionioners, illegal aliens, welfare consumers, public sector suckoffs, union suckoffs, and baby-killers could have the other part. Then they could sit around stewing in the chaotic mess that they have created. That is, after all, what seems to make them happy. So let them go have what they want and let normal. rational, self-supporting people have what they want - a Constitional Representative Republic that adheres to the 10th Ammendment: [SIZE=4]The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people[/SIZE]
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:32 AM
 
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I can't believe the health care bill has led to such hostile rhetoric and behavior (mostly from Republicans and Tea Partiers), but here we are.

Given the sharp divide in this country between Republicans and Democrats, would we be better off splitting up?
I think that this country has become the very thing we were trying to escape, but not for the same reason as the TEA Party loonies.

I felt this way under Bush, Bush and Clinton too. Why should people in California be subject to the will of people in Arkansas and Oklahoma when they have absolutely nothing in common? Florida may want to continue the Cuban Embargo while Vermont decides that Cohibas and Havana Club would be great additions to the party scene. Alabama might want to put people in the gas chamber for selling marijuana while Colorado decides that they should manufacture and sell marijuana freely. But if California passes a law that the people want, and the federal government shuts it down (like Prop 215), how is that the "Will of the People"? That's why I wish we could all go our separate ways. Maybe Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas would form a single country while California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington formed their own. We could still have an economic and military union without having to be in a political union.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Any state can dismiss federal regulations that nullify rights granted to us with the Constitution.

No state may pass laws that override rights granted to us by the Constitution.

It's really that simple. If you don't like it, you hate America and you should board the next plane to Russia of China, fantastic examples of centralized benevolent dictatorships.
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