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Old 03-24-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If you say so
Thank you kind sir
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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OK I'm not for this bill out all, but I think they are saying they need to keep a national registry of all devices implanted in people. For example the serial number on someone hip replacement. They want data on how well it works, and if there were any issues with the device.
Yup.
This thread is just another example of the silly and outright stupid claims out there that are propagated on the ignorant by Rightwing Talk Radio and the like.

There is NOTHING wrong with raising concerns about LEGITIMATE issues with the new law. The problem is, most of the "concerns" raised by the Right on subject are just this kind of dumb & silly rumor.



Ken
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—
(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and
(B) is—
(i) a class III device; or
(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

Yes, you heard it...implantable record keeping device. Joy.
No, actually you didn't read it correctly. The passage above - assuming you quoted it correctly - says NOTHING about an "implantable record keeping device." You have merged two separate parts of the passage.

Let's break it down:
(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—
That's establishing a national registry of medical devices, to aid in evaluating the safety and effectiveness of such devices. And what devices are they talking about?
(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and
(B) is—
(i) a class III device; or
(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.
Ah - a device (instrument, apparatus, machine, contrivance, etc.) that has been used in or on a patient. That seems to be clear enough.

But what's this about "implantable"??? Well, ever hear of pacemakers? Sometimes, some people need help in the form of devices implanted into their bodies. Examples would include internal pacemakers, replacement heart valves, cerebral stimulators ... even artificial hips.

To recap - a national registry of medical devices (including but not limited to implanted medical devices such as internal pacemakers). That's it. No, I repeat, NO "implantable record keeping device."

A little background info on medical devices:
Definition in USA by the Food and Drug Administration

A medical device, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), is an instrument, apparatus, implement, machine, contrivance, implant, in vitro reagent, or other similar or related article, including a component part, or accessory which is:
* recognized in the official National Formulary, or the United States Pharmacopoeia, or any supplement to them,
* intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, in human or other animals, or
* intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals, and which does not achieve any of its primary intended purposes through chemical action within or on the body of man or other animals and which is not dependent upon being metabolized for the achievement of any of its primary intended purposes.
Medical device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This actually already exists, each device or even screw implanted in you has a registration number so they can recall problems.

It's how they found pacemakers that were failing a few years ago, that ending up killing people due to faulty wiring.

Hell, there is a mention of these in pretty much in every other episode of CSI and Law and Order.

Just misinterpretation of what is said in order to try and lie and scare people. Despicable and desperate.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: VAB
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Yup.
This thread is just another example of the silly and outright stupid claims out there that are propagated on the ignorant by Rightwing Talk Radio and the like.

There is NOTHING wrong with raising concerns about LEGITIMATE issues with the new law. The problem is, most of the "concerns" raised by the Right on subject are just this kind of dumb & silly rumor.



Ken

Yes and it is annoying to those who have legitimate concerns with the bill, and want to have an adult debate.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:39 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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This actually already exists, each device or even screw implanted in you has a registration number so they can recall problems.

It's how they found pacemakers that were failing a few years ago, that ending up killing people due to faulty wiring.

Hell, there is a mention of these in pretty much in every other episode of CSI and Law and Order.

Just misinterpretation of what is said in order to try and lie and scare people. Despicable and desperate.
Yup - just like the "death panels".
Sadly, there are plenty of ignorant suckers out there ANXIOUS to believe such dumb things.

Ken
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Yes and it is annoying to those who have legitimate concerns with the bill, and want to have an adult debate.
I agree. In the environment the Wingnuts created, any legitimate concerns and issues were overshadowed and buried under an avalanche of stupid garbage complaints.

Ken
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I agree. In the environment the Wingnuts created, any legitimate concerns and issues were overshadowed and buried under an avalanche of stupid garbage complaints.

Ken
I'm so glad I can have an adult debate with someone using childish remarks like "wingnut", capitalized no less.

Perhaps the "wingnuts" should be pleased you're referring to it as a proper noun?
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Boca Raton
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Are screwballs and wingnuts considered implantable devices?
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I'm so glad I can have an adult debate with someone using childish remarks like "wingnut", capitalized no less.
If the term is appropriate...
It's not my fault so many of you folks seem devoid of logic and are simply driven by emotion. This thread is a prime of example. It doesn't take a genius to understand what the excerpt you posted meant. One just has to actually READ IT - as opposed to taking on faith what some chain e-mail says about it. It's pretty much common sense.

Ken
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