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Old 04-03-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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The problem with Obama's government is that all personal responsibility and initiative is gone from the picture. The government calls all the shots, spends all the money, decides everything.
Yep. I lived in Cuba for a while. Not saying we are any where close to that yet. But, if we don't change course we could be there in the next 50 years or so. Easy.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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The problem with Obama's government is that all personal responsibility and initiative is gone from the picture. The government calls all the shots, spends all the money, decides everything.
Speak for yourself... my personal responsibility and initiative are perfectly intact, and I don't see any problem in that regard.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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None of hussein obama's programs are meant to work, they are meant to funnel our money to his cronies for pay-offs.
Thank you for saying it as it is. I am glad some know the score of what is really going on, funneling our money, to his cronies for pay-offs you know you hit the nail on the head. I tell ya he is one smart cookie, he has an angle, and he has his agenda, and he has his reasons for starting these new programs, always an angle with Obama.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:44 PM
 
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The problem with Obama's government is that all personal responsibility and initiative is gone from the picture. The government calls all the shots, spends all the money, decides everything.
Not how it works at my house. I don't know what to think has gone wrong over at your place...
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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If the government has to get involved with how people maintain their homes, the intrusion really does flaunt the idea of personal responsibility.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Bush was not a conservative. Only a fool believes that. He expanded fed government more than anyone in history. He spent more than anyone in history. He increased govt involvement in education, law enforcement, health care. He gave away more foreign aid than anyone in history. He engaged in nation building. I'm not sure he did anything that could be considered conservative.

The 4 house republicans with the most conservative voting records said no.

No one in the Senate is conservative. They are left-leaning republicans.

Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, Tucker Carlson (real conservatives) were against this.

And I'm not a conservative. So please don't act like I am one.


Sorry, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, guess what........Bush is a conservative, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

"During the Bush years, the conservative movement had as free a hand as it could have hoped for in setting the agenda.

Everyone on the right backed his tax cuts, corporate giveaways, and military and security expenditures, which busted the budget.

The buzzword of "big government" is just a supple rhetorical tools, used inconsistently and opportunistically, for political positioning with no serious intellectual critiques".

(quoted text blindly stolen from David Greenberg of Washington Monthly , but I couldn't of said it any better)

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Old 04-03-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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And people worry if I my dishwasher is "energy efficient" Nonsense.
Not so good on the concept of "margins", I see. You want to waste energy at the margins of consumption simply because substantial energy content has been created and invested already. That's a foolish notion.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Sorry, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, guess what........Bush is a conservative, yesterday, today and tomorrow.
What did he do that was conservative? Can you tell me anything?

Nation building (liberal)

NCLB, federal intrusion into education (liberal)

Reforming the U.N. (liberal)

Record foreign aid (liberal)

Homeland Security, largest law enforcement agency in history (liberal)

TSA, federal takeover of private business (liberal)

Homeland Security, largest govt agency ever created (liberal)

TARP, bailout of failed private business (liberal)

Supported civil unions (liberal)

Amnesty for illegal aliens (liberal)

Those are just some of the things he did or wanted to do. All liberal.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it's a duck. Bush was not even close to being a conservative.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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Bush was not a conservative. Only a fool believes that.
Yeah, after everything he did crashed and burned, it's hard to find all those folks who elected him. And then re-elected him. The Bush flockers seem to have dispersed to a considerable degree...each taking his own tale of denial with him...
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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If the government has to get involved with how people maintain their homes, the intrusion really does flaunt the idea of personal responsibility.
No building codes where you are?
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