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Old 03-30-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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By some accounts we have spent two trillion on AA or similar social programs with no measurable increases in socio-economic progress. At what point do we give up?
I'm a black woman and I agree. Liberal politics have only crippled black people and made them complacent.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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Sorry but I don't buy it!!
The largest segment of people that benefits from affirmative action would be white women!!

"..These groups include women, Native Americans, Arab Americans, Latino/as, Asian Americans, and African Americans. Of these groups, the United States Department of Labor found that white women are the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action.

Focus on Affirmative Action (http://aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php - broken link)

I'm not understanding how people deny that whites particularly the women, benefit significantly from affirmative action irregardless of socio-economic standing.

It's a total fabrication to suggest that only black people benefit from this program when it includes and as assisted every group of minorities including white men immigrating from European countries to the United States.

I think that more study should have been done before a post based on mis-information, and purposeful distortion as to what affirmative action is, it put forth as fact.
That has nothing to do with favoring white women for their race, it's because white women perform more successfully in school. Take a look at these statistics:

Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, black people's admissions statistics are, far and away, more lenient than other races.

Abolish affirmative action, that is all.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:34 PM
 
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That has nothing to do with favoring white women for their race, it's because white women perform more successfully in school. Take a look at these statistics:

Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, black people's admissions statistics are, far and away, more lenient than other races.

Abolish affirmative action, that is all.
What's your new solution to replace AA?
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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What's your new solution to replace AA?
For admitting, I think the best applicant should be chosen based on factors they can control and that they worked to achieve.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Affirmative action had its time. That time is over IMO. All citizens should be hired based on their qualifications, not on which minority category they may fall into. Men, women, yellow, white, black, purple....shouldn't matter. Affirmative action now only goes to serve entitlement mentality and cause racial strife. Time to do away with it all.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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That has nothing to do with favoring white women for their race, it's because white women perform more successfully in school. Take a look at these statistics:

Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, black people's admissions statistics are, far and away, more lenient than other races.

Abolish affirmative action, that is all.
Wrong again!!!

It matters not how you perform in school, Affirmative Action was the tool that forced the colleges to open up their programs to women in the first place!

Are you being obtuse or you really did not know this???

Women just started decided to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, policemen, and firefighters in the last 40 years in any meaningful numbers!!

Sorry spin it how you want, statically affirmative action has helped your segment of the population more than any other.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:24 PM
 
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Wrong again!!!

It matters not how you perform in school, Affirmative Action was the tool that forced the colleges to open up their programs to women in the first place!

Are you being obtuse or you really did not know this???

Women just started decided to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, policemen, and firefighters in the last 40 years in any meaningful numbers!!

Sorry spin it how you want, statically affirmative action has helped your segment of the population more than any other.
How was that at all relevant to what I posted? We're not talking about 40 years ago, we're talking about how AA applies to the present day, in that it's no longer necessary.

I couldn't care less who AA has helped the most, the point is I don't want it anyways. And you're still wrong. For God's sake learn some grammar while you're at it.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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AA - Alcoholics Anonymous can help a lot of people.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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How was that at all relevant to what I posted? We're not talking about 40 years ago, we're talking about how AA applies to the present day, in that it's no longer necessary.

I couldn't care less who AA has helped the most, the point is I don't want it anyways. And you're still wrong. For God's sake learn some grammar while you're at it.
It's not unusual for those ignorant of the past, to try to ignore the implications it has on their life!!


Women of all races benefited from Affirmative Action during a time when it was uncommon for women to be included in the "professions", white women benefited far more than others.

You aren't aware of that?..not my fault!!

What you posted was irrelevant to anything posted by myself and honestly had nothing relevant to add to the discussion!

You don't want it, too late you have already benefited from it and your ignorance of it benefited you all the more!!
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:56 PM
 
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It's not unusual for those ignorant of the past, to try to ignore the implications it has on their life!!


Women of all races benefited from Affirmative Action during a time when it was uncommon for women to be included in the "professions", white women benefited far more than others.

You aren't aware of that?..not my fault!!

What you posted was irrelevant to anything posted by myself and honestly had nothing relevant to add to the discussion!

You don't want it, too late you have already benefited from it and your ignorance of it benefited you all the more!!
I'm a guy... and I'm still in high school.

You can believe what you want. Frankly, I'm tired as it is and I'm not in the mood to get into a pointless internet debate that will change no one's mind.
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