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He won't have to. Obama didn't sign the orders sending this moron to Afghanistan. Who is President has nothing to do with the issue.
The man is mutineer, refusing to use the education the Army paid for to save the lives of wounded American soldiers.
He won't have to. Obama didn't sign the orders sending this moron to Afghanistan. Who is President has nothing to do with the issue.
The man is mutineer, refusing to use the education the Army paid for to save the lives of wounded American soldiers.
I found an article where Robert Gibbs claims to be the one responsible for posting a copy of the BC on the net. If he can do that why can't he tell Hawaii to release the original Vault copy? Why doesn't Obama for that matter?
He won't have to. Obama didn't sign the orders sending this moron to Afghanistan. Who is President has nothing to do with the issue. The man is mutineer, refusing to use the education the Army paid for to save the lives of wounded American soldiers.
I wanted to ask you how you feel bout the Vietnam draft dodgers?
I believe because they never actually get court martialed. If these actually go to trial then Obama would have to open up his hidden records and prove he was eligible or how else will we know if the officer is guilty or not?
Did his commanding officer give him an order? Yes. In fact, several superior officers gave him orders.
Was the order legal according to the UCMJ and the Laws of War? Yes, people ship to overseas assignments all the time.
Did he disobey that order? Yes. He's confessed as much.
Well, he's guilty.
In the military, you do not get to question the command judgments made by those above you. If a General in the chain of command considers Obama the CINC, that settles it for a mere Lieutenant Colonel. Obama could be revealed to be an animatronic puppet tomorrow, and LTC Lakin would still be guilty of missing a movement.
FWIW, I was a signalman in my country's armed forces and I knew better than to quarrel with my CO's interpretation of the signals I passed on, even if I completely disagreed. Because I understood - and LTC Lakin apparently doesn't - what command responsibility means.
(Sure, in some rare situations, you can raise your concern over an order - "Lieutenant, that didn't sound like the Captain's voice on the radio. Are we sure those are valid orders?", but once your CO has made the decision, as far as you're concerned, that order comes with full authority. "Private, we have our orders. Move out.")
I wonder if the chain of possession of this piece of TP you refer to can be fully established. I mean who ordered it from Hawaii, (it would have had to have been Obama right?), is there a receipt for that order (again it would have had to have been Barrack Obama who ordered it because of the law or was it?), Once Obama received it were did it go from there, when and who did the several news outlets and who posted it on the net get it from, where is it now? If it is made available, as you say it will be, will it be able to be analyzed by a documents forensic specialist that is neutral to determine it authenticity?
I am sure that Lakin is doing all of this to find out the answers to these questions.
How does one settle the authenticity of a Hawaiian COLB? Let's think for a second.
We can set up a complex scheme to somehow get in front of a court martial and from there on, hope that the court will completely abandon precedence and allow us to subpoena the President's personal papers as part of discovery.
Then it's time to investigate "chain of possession" - is the mail carrier reliable, do we have exact records of what hands it passed through, can we get a forensic specialist to verify the signatures and did someone think to make a comparative gas spectrographic analysis of the ink on the signature vs. the ball pens in the Hawaii public offices? And where is the envelope? How can we know it was mailed if we don't have the envelope?
Or - and this is of course a wild idea - or we can see if the public official in charge of vital records in Hawaii will vouch for it. Oh, she has already? Well, that was easy.
George Bush. It sort of an ongoing kind of thing, which is a huge problem for Lakin.
Prosecutor: LtCol, you have served in Afghanistan previously, is that correct.
Lakin: Yes that is correct.
Pros: Did you consider that the order to deploy was a lawful order, in compliance with the Constitution, the UMCJ, the International Rules of War otherwise know as the Geneva Convention?
Lakin: Yes.
Pros: LtCol, has the U.S. Congress unauthorized military actions in Afghanistan since your last tour?
Lakin: No.
Pros: Is the war being conducted in Afghanistan contrary to any Article specified in the Uniformed Code of Military Justice?
Lakin: No.
Pros: Is the war in Afghanistan contrary to the Geneva Conventions?
Lakin: Not as far as I know.
Pros: Where you given an order (date, time, place) to report for deployment to the war in Afghanistan by your immediate superior officer, a war in which you have already served, a war well within the authorization of the Congress of the United States, a war being conducted in accordance with the UMCJ and the Geneva Convention ?
Lakin: yes
Pros: Did you obey that order?
Lakin: No, I did not because I consider the President...
Pros: objection, the witness is not answering the question
Trial Judge: Objection sustained, the witness will answer the question asked.
Pros: LtCol, did you obey the order given to you by your commanding officer?
Lakin: No.
Pros: As a result of disobeying that order did you miss the movement of your unit to deploy to Afghanistan, an area of conflict in which you have previously served, a conflict authorized by the Congress of the United States, a conflict which is being waged in accordance with the UMCJ and the Geneva convention?
Lakin: Yes, but as I tried...
Pros: Objection your honor
Trial Judge: Objection sustained, the witness is directed to answer the question as asked.
Pros: Did you disobey the order of your commanding officer and as a result miss the movement of your unit to Afghanistan?
Lakin: Yes.
Pros: Did you not state on the videos tapes that have been entered into evidence that you had not intention of either obeying your orders and that you would refuse to serve in Afghanistan if so ordered?
Let me end my participation in this discussion at this point by saying...IMHO there needs to be a trial, I do not care if it is civilian or military. Since there does not seem to be a way to have a civilian trial, it looks like Lakin decided he needed to do something to finally get a court to look at this conundrum. Until then I and many others will have questions about Obama's eligibility.
I, like others, would even be happy with the production of the original VBC but, that too seems to be beyond the pale.
I understand that at this time the majority are satisfied with the copy and I do not go around calling any of them peurile names because I respect their right to believe as they wish, just as I have a right to believe as I do.
While I believe that this court martial will never takes place, in many ways I wish it would just to put an end to all of this. On the other hand, I would hate like hell for this man to lose virtually everything he has because he questions the POTUS eligibility as well.
Wouldn't the simplest and easiest answer be to just show the OBC. What could be so damn hard about that?
<snip>Until then I and many others will have questions about Obama's eligibility.
LOL that's funny, like you and your ilk didn't have questions before
Lakin came along....too freakin' funny!
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