Why the Middle Class is intentionally being destroyed (unemployed, ethic, brainwash)
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I have to pay interest on the money I pay back...believe me, the money isn't coming from thin air.
The concept of interest should not exist.
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I get what you're saying, but we can't just "kick" people off welfare, or whatever programs they're on. They'd lose their houses, medical care.
You can kick them off of their programs. There are two problems though
1. Welfare pays better then the crap jobs most would qualify for
2. Welfare has become such an integral part of society, that its actually now serving the purpose of holding down the unemployment rate. With out welfare, those on it would probably have over a 50% unemployment rate amongst them.
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But I believe in repsonsible welfare.
Responsible welfare? There is no such thing.
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Prove you're job hunting.
Job hunting for what? A counter jockey job at McDonalds? Getting that job is completely counter productive to their lifestyle.
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Prove you're taking adult ed classes. The state can provide those kinds of resources, more if necessary.
Woohoo lets train more overqualified Americans at the cost of the taxpayer. If we keep praying that those 5 doctors jobs will magically appear if we train 5 doctors, maybe it will actually happen.
Education in America does four things
1. Drives the cost of education up
2. Drives the wage of jobs down
3. Increases the number of underemployed
4. Increases the minimum job requirements to ridiculous levels
Education in America does not do either of the following
1. Creates jobs (outside of teaching positions to handle the swell of students)
2. Creates demand for services
We should be focusing on creating living wage jobs that are accessible by the lower skilled, not "educating" them for high end jobs that dont exist, or wont exist any longer when they help to flood the market and drive the wages down.
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Originally Posted by lmkcin
Limit it, use it as an incentive, rather than what it is. Believe me, welfare is not my favorite thing in the world either.
Welfare should be for the infirm and useless elderly only. If you are using it for anything else, and the result of cutting it would be millions and millions of homeless, your socio-economic system is an absolute failure.
The destruction of the middle class is the platform the Manchurian Obama campaigned on, but unfortunately nobody was paying attention do to the 'air shock' that was used during his rise to power. technology is a muthaf**ker. America has officially been gutted and 'transformed' as Obama wished. his job is complete.
Last edited by 4Horsemen; 04-05-2010 at 08:30 AM..
Our socio-economic system is an UTTER FAILURE for most of of people with incomes below the 85th percentile. The plutocrats that rule the country allow welfare because it is cheaper and safer than revolution.
Our socio-economic system is an UTTER FAILURE for most of of people with incomes below the 85th percentile. The plutocrats that rule the country allow welfare because it is cheaper and safer than revolution.
Actually the 'plutocrats' are at the mercy of the FED. America's Pimp. until they are abolished america will forever be on her knees for 'service'.
All the left vs right people, please clear out...don't bring that Jerry Springer tabloid mess here...
Those who keep blaming Obama for the demise of the middle class, just need to step aside and let the real thinking people debate and resolve the issues...
People who bring that left, right crap to the table, just get in the way...the demise of the middle class is being engineered by finincial powers that have nothing to do with politics, other than how they can buy or sway legistlation. And or sometimes being appointed government seats...
That left right stuff is corrosive and really has no place in this discusion and really border lines retarded, for not knowing what's really going on; Instead conviently always falls back on the Rush/Sean tabloid Jerry Springer view of the world...
Let the real thinking people think, and all the left vs right people please clear out of here so us thinkers can bring this issue into focus for others to see...
Last edited by Time and Space; 04-05-2010 at 08:00 AM..
Those who keep blaming Obama for the demise of the middle class, just need to step aside and let the real thinking people debate and resolve the issues...
People who bring that left, right crap to the table, just get in the way...the demise of the middle class is being engineered by finincial powers that have nothing to do with politics, other than how they can buy or sway legistlation. And or sometimes being appointed government seats...
That left right stuff is corrosive and really has no place in this discusion and really border lines retarded, for not knowing what's really going on instead of always falling back on the Rush/Sean tabloid Jerry Springer view of the world...
Let the real thinking people think, and all the left vs right people please clear out of here so us thinkers can bring this into focus for others to see...
Obama is in cahoots with the plan. he is part of the problem and bears part of the blame.
Polititians are puppets for the powerful...that's why when they leave office, they all play golf together...
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Originally Posted by 4Horsemen
Obama is in cahoots with the plan. he is part of the problem and bears part of the blame.
clues are like bread crumbs
Obama is a meaningless puppet, as Bush was or any other person who occupies that seat...
Don't you get it???
What does Bush do now? Play golf....
But the people who really run the world, never leave their office, they're always in office, and always influencing...(Billionares club)
And when Obamas term ends, he to will be playing golf next to Bush and Clinton...(while fund raising hurricane relief funds together)
(Once thier usefulness ends, gotta keep the former heads of state busy somehow...so why not fundraise...just as long as they
stay out of the way of the truly 'powerful' ones who really run the show)
Come on man, their all puppets...to be used for a short time while in office...until the next puppet comes along....
I wondered why nothing was being done about it. But the answers (as always) are always in our history, if we care to look back and carefully analyze the evidence. Throughout history, the upper class (elite ruling class) has always looked for ways to make themselves richer/more secure. After despotism, feudalism, and any other -isms related to a clear hierarchical class structure all failed, the latest invention they came up with is today's Capitalist Libertarianism.
The genius (at least from a neo-con perspective) of the Bush administration was its ability to destroy the middle class. Traditionally, when anybody attempts to do this, it is followed by mass rioting, demonstrations, social upheaval, and then revolution. But with the help of today's military-industrial-media complex, the ruling class is succeeding at destroying the middle class without having to face this kind of backlash. The middle class was always thought to have been a buffer between the poor and ruling classes. Today's media is controlled by only a handful of corporations. The ruling class no longer have a need for the middle class to act as the buffer from lower class insurrection. They can control this country without a middle class.
The plan, which started with Reagan, was to establish a Republican presidency and Congress and then spend the country into a deficit to create a "Bankrupt State." The funds went into the pockets of Reagan/Bush I/Bush II supporters and other big corporations. And they did this so that the country would be forced to focus on only the most important functions of government. Other functions that traditionally went to supporting the middle class (health care, social services, education, social justice, public projects) would be starved to death.
The collapse of the government was intended to destroy whatever it was that held the middle class together. And the best part of all this is...is that the elite/ruling class get even more money funneled into their bank accounts. They encourage the middle class into 401K retirement funds, and then collapse the stock market.
Then Obama comes along and takes the driver's seat in a car that has no steering wheel and the brakes don't work. Instead of having everybody jump out of the car, he wants everybody to stay put because hopefully, at the speed this car wreck is going, it will be just enough to get us over the deep chasm we are coming up to. wonderful.
But there is no revolution from the people. The media is so completely controlled (and the people, through it) by what is essentially an oligopoly, a handful of corporations and businesses that own our politicians as well. And I wonder why there is nary a word of opposition from the people who are being affected most. Why there is no revolution. Can anyone tell me why?
News flash-
1. capitalism in the US has created the largest middle class in world history
2. marxism and socialism targets the middle class for destruction (see the Frankfurt school)
I wondered why nothing was being done about it. But the answers (as always) are always in our history, if we care to look back and carefully analyze the evidence. Throughout history, the upper class (elite ruling class) has always looked for ways to make themselves richer/more secure. After despotism, feudalism, and any other -isms related to a clear hierarchical class structure all failed, the latest invention they came up with is today's Capitalist Libertarianism.
The genius (at least from a neo-con perspective) of the Bush administration was its ability to destroy the middle class. Traditionally, when anybody attempts to do this, it is followed by mass rioting, demonstrations, social upheaval, and then revolution. But with the help of today's military-industrial-media complex, the ruling class is succeeding at destroying the middle class without having to face this kind of backlash. The middle class was always thought to have been a buffer between the poor and ruling classes. Today's media is controlled by only a handful of corporations. The ruling class no longer have a need for the middle class to act as the buffer from lower class insurrection. They can control this country without a middle class.
The plan, which started with Reagan, was to establish a Republican presidency and Congress and then spend the country into a deficit to create a "Bankrupt State." The funds went into the pockets of Reagan/Bush I/Bush II supporters and other big corporations. And they did this so that the country would be forced to focus on only the most important functions of government. Other functions that traditionally went to supporting the middle class (health care, social services, education, social justice, public projects) would be starved to death.
The collapse of the government was intended to destroy whatever it was that held the middle class together. And the best part of all this is...is that the elite/ruling class get even more money funneled into their bank accounts. They encourage the middle class into 401K retirement funds, and then collapse the stock market.
Then Obama comes along and takes the driver's seat in a car that has no steering wheel and the brakes don't work. Instead of having everybody jump out of the car, he wants everybody to stay put because hopefully, at the speed this car wreck is going, it will be just enough to get us over the deep chasm we are coming up to. wonderful.
But there is no revolution from the people. The media is so completely controlled (and the people, through it) by what is essentially an oligopoly, a handful of corporations and businesses that own our politicians as well. And I wonder why there is nary a word of opposition from the people who are being affected most. Why there is no revolution. Can anyone tell me why?
Because without a middle class you have a Third World country. That's where the Uber-Wealthy live off the backs of the very poor.
The Ubers have convinced the repubs that they, the Wealthy, are "Gods Who Must Be Worshipped"...and the little repubs do just that...as repubs are ground into poverty with the rest of middle class America they will still be defending and worshipping the Ubers...hence, no uprising.
Obama is a meaningless puppet, as Bush was or any other person who occupies that seat...
Don't you get it???
What does Bush do now? Play golf....
But the people who really run the world, never leave their office, they're always in office, and always influencing...(Billionares club)
And when Obamas term ends, he to will be playing golf next to Bush and Clinton...(while fund raising hurricane relief funds together)
Come on man, their all puppets...to be used for a short time while in office...until the next puppet comes along....
Obama's mission is complete. he has fundamentally changed America. The wheels are Liberal 'change' are in full motion. puppet indeed. they all are. no argument here.
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All the left vs right people, please clear out...don't bring that Jerry Springer tabloid mess here...
