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Old 04-03-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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National Inflation Association With Obama praising his "Jobs improvement".How many are temporary,imaginary,part time or temporary census jobs?Or just straight out data manipulation?
Do Americans really believe his self serving BS? As bad a President that idiot Bush was ,at least Americans were still working and his UE numbers were far better than Obama's.Any thoughts?
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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I believe there are more jobs but look how many people are pouring over the border -- far more than the jobs created. Far far more -- even the promised 5 million new jobs isn't enough to keep up with the very high population increases.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I find the ADP numbers more realistic. They monitor payroll numbers and don't include government numbers. They are a business service and are not beholden to any political group or entity to "build confidence". They also don't make up numbers like the BLS does (birth/death model anyone?)
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I believe there are more jobs but look how many people are pouring over the border -- far more than the jobs created. Far far more -- even the promised 5 million new jobs isn't enough to keep up with the very high population increases.
The extended unemployment numbers went from 2.1 in 3/2009 to 5.8 in 3/2010. But the BLS doesn't report that..that tally has been given to the DOL who does quiet news releases that the darn MSM constantly misses !

http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ui/current.htm (broken link)
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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You realize that most job numbers come from independent economists. Obama doesn't control everything.

They're a little inflated due to government spending (which is precisely what the government spending is supposed to do) but you can't deny the inverted triangle in which job losses bottomed out and have now returned around zero, with net job gains in one month last year and a decidedly upward trend in job creation this year.

Will take a lot of jobs to reduce the unemployment rate, but Obama's number's aren't fabricated. We are in full recovery, which is bad news for Republicans come November so they're fighting the facts to keep people unhappy.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes, it was much better when we were losing 750,000 jobs a month in the waning days of the Bush Admin than adding 142,000 jobs now(for whatever reason).
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:20 AM
 
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National Inflation Association With Obama praising his "Jobs improvement".How many are temporary,imaginary,part time or temporary census jobs? Or just straight out data manipulation?
Do Americans really believe his self serving BS? As bad a President that idiot Bush was ,at least Americans were still working and his UE numbers were far better than Obama's.Any thoughts?
Unemployment numbers reported do not take into account those who are not filing new claims or those who have just stopped looking. I believe the real unemployment rate is at least double of that which is reported.

While some places still have unemployment rated under 7% there are a number of cities and counties with unemployment exceeding 25%.

Creating a tax favorable envionment for companies to lacate in the US flies in the face of Obama's ideology. Furthermore, it is naive to believe a POTUS with a cabinet and czars of whom only 8% have ever worked in private industry, has any clue how to create jobs. Andy Stern of SEIU, the most frequent visitor to the White House only promotes Union strong policies that destroy jobs.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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With Obama praising his "Jobs improvement".How many are temporary,imaginary,part time or temporary census jobs?Or just straight out data manipulation?
It's probably data manipulation. The unemployment percentage does not count people who are unemployed but are not collecting, therefore if they fall off the rolls it makes it seem like the unemployment rate has "dropped". Census jobs are probably exacerbating this situation. This situation with the unemployment numbers is nothing new.

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Do Americans really believe his self serving BS? As bad a President that idiot Bush was ,at least Americans were still working and his UE numbers were far better than Obama's.Any thoughts?
The economy tanked twice under Bush's watch, and we are still feeling the effects of the latest crash, while Obama certainly doesn't help with his excessive spending, you can't totally blame him, nor can you totally blame Bush for that matter.

With all this said, I am so sick of the finger pointing between the two parties. Instead of trying to blame each other for the failures of this country, why don't we do something about it?

This is why I am registered independent.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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O.C. loses 126,400 jobs from 2008-09 - Handling Hard Times : The Orange County Register Here is a story from Orange County in California where the revised numbers over a 1 year period showed nearly twice as many jobs lost then were originally reported,yet the UE rate remained unchanged,how do they figure this out?
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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The official government unemployment rate has been determined the same way for 50 years or so. So when someone from the current administration gives that number they are not misleading or lying. It's a pretty straighforward figure and has long been recognized as very accurate.

However, jobs created is different. I've seen this from both sides. I think Reganites claim he created 20 million jobs. Clintonites do the same thing. Or did Clinton claim 50 million? But, when you look at the total number of people working when Reagan took office and compare it to the number that were working when he left you can see the workforce didn't grow by 20 million people. Same with Clinton. The numbers he gave didn't add up. Clinton claimed he added 50 million new jobs. Problem with that is our population didn't grow by 50 million. Who were these people working all these new jobs? And people still believed him. LOLS.

If I add 3 jobs in 1996 then the Clinton Admin counted that as 3 new jobs. Even though those 3 specific jobs may very have been around for a hundred years. If those same exact jobs chaged over during the Bush Admin they were once again considered a new job.

I'm just Reagan and Clinton as examples. They all do that.

Unemployment rate is accurate. Created jobs? That's just a made up term that politicians use and people fall for it.

Hope that made sense the way I explained it. LOLS.
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