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Old 04-05-2010, 04:06 AM
 
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Do right wingers mistrust the concept of "social justice" because Glenn Beck told them they should?
I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I'm going to Jeremiah Wright's church? Yes! Leave your church. Social justice and economic justice. They are code words. If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop and tell them, 'Excuse me are you down with this whole social justice thing?'[15]

On his television show March 2 and on his radio show March 11, Beck said "social justice" was the one common rallying cry of both Nazis and Communists because they both want totalitarian government.[15] -- Jim Wallis's wikipedia entry
This is irresponsible at best, crazy at worst. Have you fallen for it?
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:16 AM
 
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Wikipedia: Jim_Wallis#Controversy_with_Glenn_Beck

I see there, too, that when Jim Wallis responded to Beck,
Of course, Christians may disagree about what social justice means in our current political context — and that conversation is an important one — but the Bible is clear: from the Mosaic law of Jubilee, to the Hebrew prophets, to Jesus Christ, social justice is an integral part of God’s plan for humanity. Beck says Christians should leave their social justice churches, so I say Christians should leave Glenn Beck. I don’t know if Beck is just strange, just trying to be controversial, or just trying to make money. But in any case, what he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show.[16]
Beck replied to Wallis,
But just know — the hammer is coming, because little do you know, for eight weeks, we’ve been compiling information on you, your cute little organization, and all the other cute little people that are with you. And when the hammer comes, it’s going to be hammering hard and all through the night, over and over…[24][25]
He later "promised a week-long look at Wallis."

Isnt this the way Uncle Joe McCarthy operated?

More important though, doesnt it give you pause... being urged to reject the fundamental tenet of Christianity, in exchange for....?
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:35 AM
 
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Do right wingers mistrust the concept of "social justice" because Glenn Beck told them they should?
You can really spoil a good topic as so many on this forum get spoiled by throwing around the names, it makes you look foolish and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

I beleive what he is driving at is many are hell bent on tearing down what others have done in the name of "social justice" instead of going out and building their own wealth and prosperity. The term has been hijacked and it's meaning corrupted... things like giving people cell phones for free, telling them they deserve a house, or expecting Obama to pay for their gas and mortgage. This is social justice today... it's a farce.

Having said that I don't watch Beck, he's a wind bag just like the rest of the village idiots on every news channel you can find.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:00 AM
 
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You can really spoil a good topic as so many on this forum get spoiled by throwing around the names, it makes you look foolish and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

I beleive what he is driving at is many are hell bent on tearing down what others have done in the name of "social justice" instead of going out and building their own wealth and prosperity. The term has been hijacked and it's meaning corrupted... things like giving people cell phones for free, telling them they deserve a house, or expecting Obama to pay for their gas and mortgage. This is social justice today... it's a farce.

Having said that I don't watch Beck, he's a wind bag just like the rest of the village idiots on every news channel you can find.
Not sure what your first paragraph means. I certainly wouldnt want to look foolish on city-data dot com The question of the thread is, Why do right wingers think this destructive idea that lurks in their hearts is legitimate or positive -- because Glenn Beck says it is?

The entire concept of social justice has been demonized by Glenn Beck and others like him for this cheap reason: to keep the walls up between Americans by associating it with taxes. "Community organizing" too, but that gets a more sinister association.

GB, Rush and so forth encourage their followers to think that people who need help are ipso facto not trying to better themselves. Of course their followers need and love to believe this.

To tell people to leave their churches if the churches are kind and giving and embracing of humanity is pure evil, seems to me.

The right thrives on maintaining social injustice, it's one of its engines. That's to be expected of them in the secular world -- selfishness, greed and fear are the big motivators for these people. But it's worse than wrong to transfer those qualities into the church. Religion is supposed to remove them from your heart.

Is that why Beck is saying to leave your church -- because it gets in the way of the RW agenda?

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Old 04-05-2010, 05:06 AM
 
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Also, what do you think of Beck's McCarthyan approach to constructive dialogue?
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:23 AM
 
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Beck is a very well paid propagandist for the folks that would destroy any social cohesiveness in working and middle class America by demonizing the poor that many of these people are rapidly becoming. The economic floor has been pulled out from under these people with real estate scams, outsourcing industry and regressive taxes. This is not by any error on the part of the wealthy elites that have bought the favor of Congress and the executive. Anti-social justice is part and parcel of their plan to restore the "Gilded Age" of the 1890's and finally an completely destroy the encompassing prosperity of the 50', 60's and 1970's that heavily diluted the exclusivity of the plutocrats. Beck is only doing his job.

We have to do our job and elect congress men and women that are beholding to us and not to some behind the scenes corporate or wealthy campaign contributors. We need to take measures to break up the plutocrats monopoly on money by providing real opportunity for the working folks and progression for the middle class. This will never happen under any form of Republicanism and will be difficult under the Democrats.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:35 AM
 
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Here ya go, a good NPR article.

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National Review: The Social Justice Code : NPR

In the words of Peter Wood, head of the National Association of Scholars, "The campus left learned with its promotion of the concept of 'diversity' the advantages of packaging hard-core ideology in bland, feel-good terminology." "Social justice" is one of several terms — others include "dispositions," "sustainability," and "cultural competence" — that has been given in-group meanings by the wordsmiths of the cultural Left.


In 2002, for example, the National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) issued new guidelines requiring education departments that listed social justice as a goal to "include some measure of a candidate's commitment to social justice" when evaluating the "dispositions" of their students. As soon became clear, this provided education schools a back-door method of ensuring ideological conformity among their students.



At Brooklyn College, Washington State, and Alaska-Fairbanks — all public institutions covered by the First Amendment — students were punished for voicing opinions that differed from those of the faculty. At Washington State, where the college of education tried to expel a student for his conservative opinions, the dean was asked whether Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia could pass a disposition test at the school. "I'm not sure how to answer that," she replied.
As I said... Hijacked. It's a catch phrase for radical leftist groups. As far as the Beck comments go I think people in their own church should make their own decisions. Anybody following the advice or taking what any of these nitwits say on TV at face value needs to get their head examined.

LOL.. the first result in Google for social justice radical is a site on how to integrate Social Justice issues into Math. Sorry but a math teacher should be teaching math.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:36 AM
 
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It's real funny that socialist thieves claim the moral high ground while they compel others. If that is "peace, love and social justice", perhaps they need to redefine their terms to reflect their true intentions.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.

Using government to do the taking, under threat, duress or coercion, is nothing less than slavery. And that is something that is not funny.

"No one should suffer because they lack {fill in the blank}", must be prefaced by, "No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that..."

But for some "funny" reason, socialists don't want to volunteer themselves for the down trodden - they want to expropriate other people's wealth - by force of government.

I think that's what we call "theft", when done in the private sector. And it's frowned upon by most religions.

Thou shalt not steal.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:38 AM
 
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Here ya go, a good NPR article.



As I said... Hijacked. It's a catch phrase for radical leftist groups. As far as the Beck comments go I think people in their own church should make their own decisions. Anybody following the advice or taking what any of these nitwits say on TV at face value needs to get their head examined.

LOL.. the first result in Google for social justice radical is a site on how to integrate Social Justice issues into Math. Sorry but a math teacher should be teaching math.
Um, that's the national review.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:40 AM
 
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It's real funny that socialist thieves claim the moral high ground while they compel others. If that is "peace, love and social justice", perhaps they need to redefine their terms to reflect their true intentions.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.

Using government to do the taking, under threat, duress or coercion, is nothing less than slavery. And that is something that is not funny.

"No one should suffer because they lack {fill in the blank}", must be prefaced by, "No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that..."

But for some "funny" reason, socialists don't want to volunteer themselves for the down trodden - they want to expropriate other people's wealth - by force of government.

I think that's what we call "theft", when done in the private sector. And it's frowned upon by most religions.

Thou shalt not steal.
You and G Beck redefined the term, not the churches. (Not the honestly Christian churches, anyway.)
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