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I wonder what the tea party patriots would say when they are confronted with the fact that many of the founding fathers suscribed to the teachings of the Unitarian Church, which everyone knows promotes liberal theology.
Irrelevant. Unitarianism is still a belief in a Christian God. But, according to the liberals of the nation, the United States is not a Christian nation, therefore liberal ideology rooted in any sort of liberal theology is a moot and inconvenient point to them. They'd rather not acknowledge that this nation has any basis in Christian belief. In contrast, Tea Partiers are by-and-large Christian believers who see this nation as being lured away from its Christian principles by a government out of control. Tea Partiers generally celebrate the Christian Majority...I see no reason to believe that they'd be turned off by our founding fathers having their thoughts and beliefs rooted in Christianity. They've known it all along.
You should be asking LIBERALS how THEY'D react to the founding fathers subscribing to Christianity. It would surely get in their crawl.
Irrelevant. Unitarianism is still a belief in a Christian God. According to the liberals of the nation, the United States is not a Christian nation, therefore liberal ideology rooted in any sort of liberal theology is a moot point.
Actually, Jefferson was a Deist follower, he believed in a God, but that God had no direct effect on our lives. He also didn't believe that Christ was the son of God.
Besides that, Jefferson believed that our country should stay a country of small farmers. Hamilton and other Federalists wanted our country to be economically powerful.
At one point in time, the Democrats (aka Democratic Republicans) believed in small government, small taxes, and small standing armies.
That all changed after the civil war. Now both parties believe in big government, if it suits their needs.
Most Tea Party members are hypocrites anyway. They want lower taxes, but they support measures to keep personal freedoms and liberties to a minimum, if they aren't supported by the Christian moral code they follow.
(notice, I said most, there are a few out there who hold on to small government, in all forms. Most are libertarians, and don't know it)
I wonder what the tea party patriots would say when they are confronted with the fact that many of the founding fathers suscribed to the teachings of the Unitarian Church, which everyone knows promotes liberal theology.
Regarding Adams, you might want to study the history of the Unitarian Church before posting such things. It was not so far to the left then as today, and the "liberalism" of the 1700's was classical liberalism, which would be called libertarianism today. It was a bit radical for its day, rejecting the Trinity, but it was otherwise not particularly unusual a church. It did not endorse homosexuality, socialism, etc., and Adams was no anti-war pacifist either.
Jefferson's religion is hard to pin down and no historian is really willing to claim he knows precisely what he was. He is called a deist, yet he claimed to be a Christian, although he largely rejected miracles and the virgin birth. I think only Jefferson knew precisely what he was.
Franklin was a deist, mostly, but he had an unusual belief that each planet has its own god. Rather odd.
I really suggest you do more research than that. Franklin's beliefs are rather well documented. Jefferson's are a mystery in many ways but he was not a unitarian or any sort of traditional Christian. Look up the Jefferson Bible. Adams was a Unitarian and fairly active in his faith.
And these are only 3 out of many people anyways. Know anything about Samuel Adams? Do you know anything about the others who are less well known? Know anything about Nicholas Gilman? Benjamin Rush?
I wonder what the tea party patriots would say when they are confronted with the fact that many of the founding fathers suscribed to the teachings of the Unitarian Church, which everyone knows promotes liberal theology.
See, this is part of the problem, social conservatism is not what the Tea Parties are all about, yet people try to use that to discredit the Tea Party. It is assumed that Tea Partiers and their sympathizers are all Christian Right Republicans. You, sir, couldn't be more wrong. There are a lot of us Libertarians who could care less about the religious aspect of things. Tea Partiers are united by FISCAL conservatism and adherence to the Constitution -- that's what the whole movement. Yes, Virigina, there are even self-identified Democrats who are Tea Partiers.
Oh, and by the way, we are pretty much all very aware that Jefferson was a Deist....as were many of the Founding Fathers.
See, this is part of the problem, social conservatism is not what the Tea Parties are all about, yet people try to use that to discredit the Tea Party. It is assumed that Tea Partiers and their sympathizers are all Christian Right Republicans. You, sir, couldn't be more wrong. There are a lot of us Libertarians who could care less about the religious aspect of things. Tea Partiers are united by FISCAL conservatism and adherence to the Constitution -- that's what the whole movement. Yes, Virigina, there are even self-identified Democrats who are Tea Partiers.
Oh, and by the way, we are pretty much all very aware that Jefferson was a Deist....as were many of the Founding Fathers.
I agree with this, but most of the tea party members that I know, are highly influenced by Christian morality. They are more upset by abortion, than taxes, and things of that nature.
I do know there are many who are good, and have common sense in the tea party movement. However, their message is being watered down by a bunch of idiots who don't care about libertarianism.
I keep asking tea party members to stand up, and be vocal about the idiots in their movement, but it hasn't happened yet.
Irrelevant. Unitarianism is still a belief in a Christian God. But, according to the liberals of the nation, the United States is not a Christian nation, therefore liberal ideology rooted in any sort of liberal theology is a moot and inconvenient point to them. They'd rather not acknowledge that this nation has any basis in Christian belief. In contrast, Tea Partiers are by-and-large Christian believers who see this nation as being lured away from its Christian principles by a government out of control. Tea Partiers generally celebrate the Christian Majority...I see no reason to believe that they'd be turned off by our founding fathers having their thoughts and beliefs rooted in Christianity. They've known it all along.
You should be asking LIBERALS how THEY'D react to the founding fathers subscribing to Christianity. It would surely get in their crawl.
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Originally Posted by 4Horsemen
Wrong. back to history class. lock this thread mods.
Are we an officially Christian nation? NO, we are a nation of Christians, that's it. We are not a theocracy. Even if many right wing loons would want to see it otherwise. I suggest you learn the differnce.
Also, our founders were men of the Age of Enlighenment, the most liberal time in human history. All social norms were being thrown out the door. They were students of John Locke, Hobbes, Montesquieu, Adam Smith. Thomas Jefferson was a communist before Marx made up the word.
Anyone who sees otherwise, do not deserve to run government, or even be involved. They are un-American.
We are a secular nation. Our founders were afraid of such a type of government. Look at modern theocracies--Saudi Arabia and Iran. No other government represents an abhorrance of personal liberities and rights than a theocracy.
So regardless of whatever our founders' religious views are/were, as chances are we'll never know unless we ask them specifically, it doesn't matter. Some were Anglican, some were Unitarian, some were Congregationalists, some were Atheist, some were Deists, there might have a been a Jew or Quaker or Catholic in there. So given that, that 50+ men all held 50 different views on God, how could they singluarly design a Christian nation? They would have left more mad and displeasured with each other. The one thing they did agree on was a wall of separation between church/religion and the state. all of this for the sake of maintaining liberties and freedom.
and 4Horseman, do you care to make a constructive statement? Or just dig your heals in like a child?
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