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Old 04-08-2010, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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I hope there isn't already a thread about this...

Everytime they get involved in "improving" our public education system, they only make it worse, No Child Left Behind comes to mind. Has anyone been following this Florida Teacher "Tenure Bill"? Talk about screwing our teachers, I am just in a fit about this. Allowing kids' test scores to determine a teachers' salary, for real? What about the teachers who work in the inner city schools whose students come from broken, abusive homes. How well do those kids really do in school without any family support, and now a teacher has to pay for that? What is with these Republicans???
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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I hope there isn't already a thread about this...

Everytime they get involved in "improving" our public education system, they only make it worse, No Child Left Behind comes to mind. Has anyone been following this Florida Teacher "Tenure Bill"? Talk about screwing our teachers, I am just in a fit about this. Allowing kids' test scores to determine a teachers' salary, for real? What about the teachers who work in the inner city schools whose students come from broken, abusive homes. How well do those kids really do in school without any family support, and now a teacher has to pay for that? What is with these Republicans???
NCLB was the brainchild of the left. It just happened to be a republican president that signed it into law.

And it is kinda silly not to expect teachers to teach. The inner city schools in this country were fine until busing took over(another leftist policy) And plenty of those kids had problems at home then.

And there are plenty of suburban kids that come from abusive, broken homes. And those schools aren't as bad.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:01 PM
 
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You must be a teacher.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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No Child Left Behind was a bipartisan piece of junk.

No Child Left Behind Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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NCLB was the brainchild of the left. It just happened to be a republican president that signed it into law.

And it is kinda silly not to expect teachers to teach. The inner city schools in this country were fine until busing took over(another leftist policy) And plenty of those kids had problems at home then.

And there are plenty of suburban kids that come from abusive, broken homes. And those schools aren't as bad.
and what president was it that wanted to declare that ketchup and pickled relish be reclassified as a vegetable so public schools could cut out a vegetable in their food service plans? Was that the brainchild of the left wing?
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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Welol techers need to be acountable just like any other profession. With teh results they are showing something needs to be done and alot of teachers fired form some of them I have talked to.Thneture rules over qauilty is the main probelm.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Teacher's salaries MUST be tied to performance, just like every other job in the world. I think we can all agree on that much at least. The only real issue is how best to MEASURE that performance. Obviously the proposal has some flaws. Most notably I think all the teachers will be fighting over the honors students if test scores are individual based and fighting over the good schools if test scores are school based.
It is a good start to break up the communistic style pay system and welcome teachers to the world the rest of us inhabit. Once they are there then we can work on how to better measure performance.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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NCLB was the brainchild of the left. It just happened to be a republican president that signed it into law.
The "Texas Miracle" was Bush's claim to fame in the 2000 election. Bush was at a photo-op on 9/11 reading to elementary kids in Florida to pushing NCLB.

I seriously doubt that "the left" meant for it to be an unfunded mandate and vehicle to push for vouchers.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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The "Texas Miracle" was Bush's claim to fame in the 2000 election. Bush was at a photo-op on 9/11 reading to elementary kids in Florida to pushing NCLB.

I seriously doubt that "the left" meant for it to be an unfunded mandate and vehicle to push for vouchers.
Ted Kennedy wrote the thing.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:33 PM
 
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I hope there isn't already a thread about this...

Everytime they get involved in "improving" our public education system, they only make it worse, No Child Left Behind comes to mind. Has anyone been following this Florida Teacher "Tenure Bill"? Talk about screwing our teachers, I am just in a fit about this. Allowing kids' test scores to determine a teachers' salary, for real? What about the teachers who work in the inner city schools whose students come from broken, abusive homes. How well do those kids really do in school without any family support, and now a teacher has to pay for that? What is with these Republicans???
My husband, my two children and I are all FL teachers. The proposed legislation mandates

1. that 50% of a teacher's salary be based on student learning gains on the FCAT or on tests that do not exist, requiring that already financially strapped school districts-
2. put aside 5% of their operating budgets to create district wide tests for subjects not tested on Florida's FCAT - estimated cost right now is $900 million.
3. that new teachers will forever be on annual contract.
4. that teachers will no longer be compensated for advanced degrees, national board certification, or years of service.
5. that principals must certify that a teacher's students have demonstrated learning gains for 4 out of 5 years (in addition to the existing requirement of 6 college credits) before a teacher's certificate will be renewed (Florida teachers must re-certify every 5 years)

The Republican led Senate pushed this bill through in record time. The House is still debating the issue, but it's almost certain that it will pass.

Teachers, parents, students and concerned citizens have flooded legislators with phone calls and emails, urging them to "Stop SB6 and HB7189. Gov. Crist's office has also been inundated with requests for him to veto the legislation.
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