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Old 06-08-2007, 11:40 PM
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citigirl I am glad to see that you agree some crimes are worse than others - now you see the reasoning for hate crimes legislation.
I absolutely reject the hate crimes laws. All crimes are conceived from some kind of hate. We should all have equal protection under the law not special protection under the law.

Crimes against children and the elderly are far more heinous because they are the most defenseless. How you like your sex should not give you special protections above all others.
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Old 06-09-2007, 03:09 AM
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I absolutely reject the hate crimes laws. All crimes are conceived from some kind of hate. We should all have equal protection under the law not special protection under the law.

Crimes against children and the elderly are far more heinous because they are the most defenseless. How you like your sex should not give you special protections above all others.

Public Law #103-322A, a 1994 federal law, defines a hate crime as:

"a crime in which the defendant intentionally selects a victim, or in the case of a property crime, the property that is the object of the crime, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person." 3
It is important to realize that crimes motivated by a hatred of a person's sexual orientation -- whether the victim is a heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual -- are already defined as hate crimes. However, federal laws only attach an extended sentence penalty to those hate crimes that are motivated by racism, sexism or xenophobia.Hate crimes based on gender, sexual orientation or disability do not result in extra sentences.

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Old 06-09-2007, 03:24 AM
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State law defines hate crimes as criminal acts in which bias, hatred or prejudice toward the victim's real or perceived race, religion, sexual orientation or other characteristic is a major factor.


That makes it real easy to cry wolf by someone with an aganda. My oh my what if what you perceive is not the reality?

In Sacramento a lesbian made police reports that someone kept vandalizing her car and writing ant-gay stuff. It was all over the news. They decided to put up cameras and who was found vandalizing her car.....she was!
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Old 06-09-2007, 03:36 AM
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[quote=Mexi-in-Arlington-Heights;853975]How about teachers rather than showing movies start teaching rather than giving the kids an escape?

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I only see something wrong. Is if the teachers are having sex with any body younger than 15.
Please tell me that is a typo??? Teachers should not be having sexual contact with any student, regardless of age.



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But that isn't really the case. It seems like most pedos go for younger and that is why we should automatically have an intensive background check of a person.
By definition pedophiles are attracted to children, (child, anybody under 18)

Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "pe-d&-'fi-lE-&, 'pE-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
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A pedophile is usually fixated on a certain age group. This comes about from an arrestment at some point in their development that they never overcome.

My belief is that most teachers caught up in the current wave of sex crimes are not pedophiles, most have families and "normal" sex lives. They lack self control, and/or good judgement. Or they are just plain stupid, as my Grandfather used to say.
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Old 06-09-2007, 03:50 AM
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State law defines hate crimes as criminal acts in which bias, hatred or prejudice toward the victim's real or perceived race, religion, sexual orientation or other characteristic is a major factor.
Which follows federal law. I do not see your point.



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That makes it real easy to cry wolf by someone with an aganda. My oh my what if what you perceive is not the reality?
Perception and intent play a large part in our system of justice. What the suspect and the victim perceive makes up the elements of many crimes and/or defences.

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In Sacramento a lesbian made police reports that someone kept vandalizing her car and writing ant-gay stuff. It was all over the news. They decided to put up cameras and who was found vandalizing her car.....she was![/
And she commited the crime of filing a false police report. Again your point is? That is no different than the false reports of theft, rape, arson, assault, etc...
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Old 06-09-2007, 05:20 AM
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In Union County, NC, where we have FOUR teachers with current charges pending, our district has not only not responded in a timely way, they also lied about calling the police on the front end. Nine days passed in one instance, instead of calling the police to do an investigation, they went into coverup mode. In another case, the teacher left Union County, and slipped across the state line to Rock Hill, SC, to teach. Just this year, a teacher at my children's highschool was arrested. It is common belief that teachers and students had knowledge of the sexual misconduct last year, and adhered to a code of silence. The girl is the daughter of another teacher in the same school.
Until there are stricter laws about the reporting of this offense, and ways to prevent those charged from seeking employment in other states and counties, we will continue to "pass the trash". All at the expense of kids.

Here is an article that demonstrates the lack of timely response, attempts to coverup, and the shifting of the blame.....note that the principal in this school did not know the "seriousness of the situation," and is now a counselor in another Union County School ....how is it that you can be a principal and not know that it is a serious situation when a teacher takes girls to the beach, gets them drunk, and has sex with them? I am asking if it is this bad in other areas, or is my district extra stupid? School officials admit sheriff wasn't told about teacher having sex with student
By RITCHIE E. STARNES -- MARSHVILLE (May 5, 2005)

Union County Public Schools officials admitted Wednesday that they never contacted law enforcement about an alleged sexual encounter between a Forest Hills High School teacher and a student.
On Wednesday, first-year math teacher Freddy Ossmann, 26, surrendered to the Union County Sheriff's Office on charges of felonious sexual offense and indecent liberties with a student.
Hours after the arrest, Luan Ingram, schools' public information officer, admitted that the school system did not report the incident to the Sheriff's Office, contrary to what she told The Enquirer-Journal on Monday.
"Evidence was collected that caused concern and immediate action was taken," Ingram said Monday in response to questions about the firing of Ossmann on April 18. "At that time, we turned over all the evidence gotten during our internal investigation and turned it over to the Sheriff's Office and we will continue to cooperate."
Sheriff Eddie Cathey, however, disputed Ingram's statement and said a school resource officer learned of the possible crime from rumors and a photo circulating at Forest Hills High School and began an investigation on April 20.
On Wednesday, Ingram applauded the work of the school resource officer for his attention in the matter and blamed the principal for the lack of communication.
"The principal (Archie Price) did not realize the seriousness of the situation," Ingram said.
Assistant Superintendent Ed Davis, however, told The Enquirer-Journal that Price notified him about the rumors of a sexual liaison between Ossmann and a student on April 15, which was a teacher work day. Davis said he immediately notified UCPS Superintendent Jerry Thomas.
Thomas said Wednesday that he had no knowledge of the Ossmann situation until he attended a staff meeting on April 18, the day Ossmann was fired.
Asked why the school system first released a statement saying they had cooperated fully with the sheriff and then recanted, Thomas laid responsibility on Ingram, saying she shoulders the responsibility for disseminating public information.
Neither Thomas nor Ingram would comment on the internal investigation, citing personnel confidentiality.
When asked why school officials did not turn the investigation over to law enforcement, Ingram said school systems across the country are wrestling with that issue.
"When do you know if what I'm hearing is enough?" she said. "It's a thin line and it's not that clear cut."
Thomas said the schools have a burden to determine if an allegation has merit before turning it over to law enforcement.
While school officials did not contact law enforcement, they did notify the parents of the student involved.
Harry Wilson, legal counsel for the N.C. Department of Public Instruction, said there is a code of ethics for professional educators that calls for them to report inappropriate actions by licensed teachers.
Ossmann, a non-licensed instructor, was hired July 29, 2004, as a part-time teacher at the school, Ingram said. He taught two classes per day and was paid hourly for his services. Ossmann was also an assistant coach for the girls soccer team and a cheerleading coach.
The school system might not have had a legal obligation, but it had a moral obligation to notify law enforcement, Wilson said.
Price is scheduled to retire at the end of the school year after more than 30 years with the system. Ingram said he plans to become a guidance counselor at the new Porter Ridge High School after a mandatory six-month leave following retirement.
-- Ritchie Starnes can be reached at (704) 261-2226 or via e-mail at rstarnes@theej.com.
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Old 06-09-2007, 05:42 AM
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And she commited the crime of filing a false police report. Again your point is? That is no different than the false reports of theft, rape, arson, assault, etc...


She had an agenda, a gay agenda, to make it look like people were targeting gays.
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Old 06-09-2007, 06:56 PM
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The summer after my first year of college, the head of the Fine and Performing Arts department was fired for sexually harrassing (and sleeping with) female students. That fall, he was hired as music director at a high school. Fortunately, he was fired after 2 years.

While it may be wrong and immoral for the math teacher to be interested, his hormones start raging when he sees that 16 year old flaunting around the room in skimpy clothing.

A teacher who can't keep their hands (or other parts) off a skimpily-dressed 16-year-old girl doesn't belong in front of a classroom.

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What about priests?

A priest that molests or rapes a child should be behind bars forever.
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I believe it is absolutely wrong and a man should be severely punished for seducing a high school girl. I must tell you though, if that little vixen from Tennessee had seduced me at fourteen, mama woulda never found out,-I woulda still been crawlin in and out of her window.
What's wrong with me!
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