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Old 04-13-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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All the kids in the marketplace say:
Way-oh-way-oh-way-ooo-aaa-ooo...
Walk like an Egyptian.

Yea, I believe they had a little soul in their step.
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Old 04-14-2010, 06:27 AM
 
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Louisvilleslugger,

Why did the Egyptians often portray themselves with that reddish brown color for their skin color in their paintings while showing Nubians as obvious Black Africans? Aren't they supposed to be related to the Nubians? So wouldn't the Egyptians of the early periods have a similar look as the Nubians?
Yeah like this statue of King Tut -- classic reddish brown.......

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Old 04-14-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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Yeah like this statue of King Tut -- classic reddish brown.......
Here's a pic of King Tut portrayed in the reddish brown color.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2036/...9ef16992b7.jpg




Keep in mind that the Egyptians often used colors symboliclly. King Tut being painted Black could be symbolic. Since that statue is from Tut's tomb the color Black could represent death,the after life,regeneration,fertility etc. So is that a literal portrayal of King Tut or a symbolic portrayal related to his death?


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Black symbolized death, the underworld, and the night. We see this reflected in Osiris, who was referred to as "the black one" because he was king of the afterlife, and also with reference to the god of embalming, Anubis, who was portrayed as a black jackal or dog. Because Queen Ahmose-Nefertari was the patroness of the necropolis, she was often shown with black skin.

In a rather unusual about-face, black could also represent fertility and resurrection because of the dark silt left behind by the annual Nile flood.

Breaking the Color Code
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Old 04-14-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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Right the colors in Egyptian art have no physical meaning -- neither black, tan, reddish brown nor any other color has any direct correlation to real life. It was ALL symbolism.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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King Tut was also portrayed in the reddish brown color here and not in the Black color you showed. Both colors may be symbolic in use and not literal.


http://touregypt.net/museum/tuttorso.jpg (broken link)
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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King Tut was also portrayed in the reddish brown color here and not in the Black color you showed. Both colors may be symbolic in use.

Scandinavians turn a reddish golden color in the sun. You have to take into account the climate of the region.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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Black Africans come in many different hues ranging from Pitch black (like the Dinka of the Sudan) to Light Brown (the Khoisan of Southern Africa). Dark reddish brown I think fits within that range don't you?

Which one of these Northeast Africans would you not consider black?











Notice the Egyptian Pharaoh is depicted as the same hue as half of the Nubians he is slaughtering. Some of the Sudanese Nubians who were pitch black (Dinka) while others (Beja) and Ethiopian Nubians were brown skinned like the Egyptians.
Are any of those people the products of admixture?
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:16 PM
 
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King Tut was also portrayed in the reddish brown color here and not in the Black color you showed. Both colors may be symbolic in use.
Yes this same uniform reddish brown hue found throughout Northeast Africa:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/LondonMitch/SEPulzQEeeI/AAAAAAAACxo/70AgtYSENHU/s400/2008-01-19%20Tutenkhamen%20at%20the%20O2%20Exhibition%2000 4%20-%20Tut%20statue%201.jpg (broken link)



http://www.whatsthe411.ca/Content/Image/Projects/ethiopia/kids.jpg (broken link)

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Old 04-14-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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Are any of those people the products of admixture?
Nope they are indigenous Black skinned Africans. A fact that might help you is to know that Sub Saharan Africa has the most diverse indigenous genetic diversity in the world. One common phenotype however that is found in every one of these populations is a Black skin (from Pitch black to light brown).









Naked Pygmies

http://www.bushtracks.com/uploads/Im...onnections.jpg

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/cross-cutting_programs/transition_initiatives/country/sudan/cattle.jpg (broken link)

It could go on and on. The point that I'm trying to make is that the variation amongst people whom would be considered black Africans so great and has nothing to do with non African admixture.
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Old 04-14-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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It could go on and on. The point that I'm trying to make is that the variation amongst people whom would be considered black Africans so great and has nothing to do with non African admixture.
I'd have to look into each group of Africans on their own. I've read that Ethiopians and Somalis are mixed. Somalis may have mixed with the Arabs who brought Islam to Somalia.
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