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Old 04-12-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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the WeHii was elected for change and all we have gotten is short changed.
You imply in your post that he has failed to deliver change, yet he is a radical???
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You imply in your post that he has failed to deliver change, yet he is a radical???
You are expecting common sense and logic? - from the Obamabashers?


Not gonna happen.

Ken
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:36 PM
 
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And if people remained who they were in college, then GW would still be a drunkard.

The fact is, Obama has pursued a relatively mainstream agenda (to the irritation of the Far Left). He changed slightly the focus of the war on terror to back off in Iraq and return the focus to Afghanistan where the War on Terror started, he continued the financial bailout started by GW then finished then up and began winding them down, he followed in the footsteps on Reagan both with the economy (ie reduced taxes (at least temporarily) combined with increased government spending)) and nuclear arms reduction (refusing to back down to Russia's demands that we give up the anti-missile defense shield), and has implimented a health care reform plan not that different from those put into place my Mitt Romney and proposed by Nixon.

NONE of that is very radical stuff - NONE. That does not stop you from PAINTING it that way of course - but that's just PURE POLITICS on your part.

Ken
Obama has maintained a non-radical approach to Iran and Afghanistan. That is certainly true.

He got beat back on his radical attempt to treat KSM like an American.

His Russian nuke business is not radical so much as it is dangerous and misguided.

As for healthcare reform, it is very radical and we simply will not agree on that. In fact the whole of his domestic agenda is radical including rolling back a good deal of Clinton/Gingrich Welfare reform… VERY radical.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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You imply in your post that he has failed to deliver change, yet he is a radical???
your implication meter is broken.

I have "implied" that the change he has brought is dangerous, wrongheaded and radical.

changing ones course from driving toward a broken bridge at 70 miles per hour to driving toward a sheer cliff at 150 miles per hour is not positive change.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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You are expecting common sense and logic? - from the Obamabashers?


Not gonna happen.

Ken
Just giving as good as we have gotten for the previous 8 years....
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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To be fair, Gingrich has only been married once since he left the woman he divorced his first wife for. And his first wife was suffering from cancer when he left her. Who can blame him? He's a family values kinda guy.

Gingrich has been married three times. He married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old. She was seven years his senior at 26 years old.[56][57] They had two daughters. The couple decided to divorce after Gingrich told his wife of his extra-marital affair while she was recovering from cancer surgery.[58] In 1981, six months after his divorce was final, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther.[59] He remained married to Ginther until 2000, when they divorced. Shortly thereafter, Gingrich then married Callista Bisek, with whom he was conducting an extra-marital affair during the Congressional investigation of Bill Clinton's perjury relating to his affair with 23-year-old intern, Monica Lewinsky.

Newt Gingrich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Really.

Some of the BS Newt "Family Values" Gingrich has done make Bill Clinton look like a choir boy.

I mean, doing that to your wife while she's in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery?

The wingnuts would never condone that kind of behavior from a Democrat....why is it okay for Gingrich?
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Obama has maintained a non-radical approach to Iran and Afghanistan. That is certainly true.

He got beat back on his radical attempt to treat KSM like an American.

His Russian nuke business is not radical so much as it is dangerous and misguided.

As for healthcare reform, it is very radical and we simply will not agree on that. In fact the whole of his domestic agenda is radical including rolling back a good deal of Clinton/Gingrich Welfare reform… VERY radical.
"dangerous and misguided" - In what way? What EXACTLY are we giving up that is "dangerous and misguided"? We are STILL keeping enough nukes to destroy the world many, many, many times over. We are still keeping the missile defense shield initiative going. What EXACTLY are we giving up that is so "dangerous and misguided" - a bunch of our oldest and most obsolecent missiles and bombs? What EXACTLY? You are aware aren't you that Reagan and Gorbachev came very close to TOTAL NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT. In fact Reagan PROPOSED that VERY THING. That is FAR MORE RADICAL than ANYTHING in the current treaty (it's not even CLOSE).

Regarding healthcare reform - well I guess that means that Mitt Romney must be a radical - since the new plan is very much like HIS plan. It also means that Nixon was a radical (and the GOP as a whole) since a lot of the features of the new plan that the GOP now objects to (such as folks being REQUIRED to purchase insurance) was in THEIR PLAN as well (some 30 YEARS AGO)

Ken
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:53 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Get used to seeing Newt, as he just might be your next President!!!!!


I could see a total smackdown when Newt destroys Obama in a debate.

And by the way, the hypocritical left wants to use Newts past marriage as a weapon, when in fact Obama had a far worse background then Newt by a long shot and it did not bother you guys then.

President Gingrich can and will fix the mess Obama and the criminals left us.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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Get used to seeing Newt, as he just might be your next President!!!!!
Don't count on it. Have you taken a look at Newt?

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I could see a total smackdown when Newt destroys Obama in a debate.
Not going to happen, but assuming it did, it wouldn't matter. Voters care more about image and charisma than they do about substance. Gingrich has about as much charisma as a rock.

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And by the way, the hypocritical left wants to use Newts past marriage as a weapon, when in fact Obama had a far worse background then Newt by a long shot and it did not bother you guys then.
Even if it was true, liberals generally don't care about a candidates extramarital affairs, Republicans do. This will hurt fat head Gingrich.

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Unless television and the internet cease to exist, it aint gonna happen.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Just giving as good as we have gotten for the previous 8 years....
So that's your way of ADMITTING your arguments have no logical or factual basis?
I got news for you - that's pretty obvious already - but thank's for being honest.
LOL

Ken
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