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Old 05-27-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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It started a war, as the Confederacy planed. As Clint Eastwood said in his movie, Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations."

Any competent solider knew the South could not win a war. Whether the Supreme Court would have ruled in their favor on unilateral dissolution of the union, we won't know because none of the southern states appealed to the rule of law.
It started a war, as LINCOLN planned.

If the South had wanted a war, they could have started one during any of the preceding six months while they had been trying to negotiate with the federal government.

The South wanted to negotiate. They were prepared to take it to the Supreme Court. Why wouldn't they want the Supreme Court to weigh in? This was the court that had decided Dred Scott. Chief Justice Taney was on the SOUTH's side.

Lincoln needed to prevent secession, and he couldn't stop it except by going to war. But he didn't have the power to declare war. So, while Congress was not in session, Lincoln embarked on a plan to provoke the South. And he shared this plan privately with friends from Illinois. It's documented.
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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The truth of a horror is often forgotten to glamorize the lie......

"It was bad enough when Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell proclaimed Confederate History Month without mentioning slavery, but at least he came to his senses and apologized."

How well the Gov. forgot the truth until he was reminded of it........

"The Atlantic slave trade was one of the last millennium’s greatest horrors. An estimated 17 million Africans, most of them teenagers, were snatched from their families, stuffed into the holds of ships and brought to the New World. As many as 7 million of them died en route, either on the high seas or at “seasoning” camps in the Caribbean where they were “broken” to the will of their masters."


Eugene Robinson: The Confederacy Isn’t Something to Be Proud Of - Truthdig
Good grief Charlie Brown, if the Civil war was about slavery then there would be cause to show that.
Slavery is to the civil war as insurance is to healthcare. (It was drug in by the polititains for votes)
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It is a fact that when the armies for the North and South were first formed, only a small minority of the soldiers on either side would have declared that the reason they joined the army was to fight either "for" or "against" slavery.
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Although the majority of the American people-- including many moderate politicians like Abraham Lincoln--wanted to avoid Civil War and were content to allow slavery to die a slow, inevitable death, the most influential political leaders of the day were not. On the southern side, "fire-eaters" like Rhett and Yancey were willing to make war to guarantee the propagation of their "right" to own slaves. On the northern side, abolitionists like John Brown and Henry Ward Beecher of Connecticut were willing to make war in order to put an immediate end to the institution of slavery.
Great American History Causes of the Civil War -
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Old 05-27-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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It started a war, as LINCOLN planned.

If the South had wanted a war, they could have started one during any of the preceding six months while they had been trying to negotiate with the federal government.
More Lost Cause Pablum

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The South wanted to negotiate. They were prepared to take it to the Supreme Court. Why wouldn't they want the Supreme Court to weigh in? This was the court that had decided Dred Scott. Chief Justice Taney was on the SOUTH's side.
Then why didn't they file?

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Lincoln needed to prevent secession, and he couldn't stop it except by going to war. But he didn't have the power to declare war. So, while Congress was not in session, Lincoln embarked on a plan to provoke the South. And he shared this plan privately with friends from Illinois. It's documented.
Nonsense. Complete fiction. Lincoln didn't even mobilize troops until the South started hostilities.
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Old 05-27-2010, 02:52 PM
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Location: Southeast Arizona
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More Lost Cause Pablum

Then why didn't they file?

Nonsense. Complete fiction. Lincoln didn't even mobilize troops until the South started hostilities.
Hey, the White House refused to acknowledge peace offers by the southern states, it is a pretty good indicator that there is going to be a fight and all chances of ending peacefully (as the Confederates originally intended) were shot.

Why didn't they file? If the White House, the Vice President and the Secretary of State refuse to see them, do you think those same men will pull strings in the Supreme Court to not allow them to leave AFTER they refused peace with those that would have went to the Supreme Court? But that is just a hypothetical, but I bet the government wouldn't let it happen.

Lincoln didn't mobilize, but Washington D.C. was well prepared to start the shooting.
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Old 05-27-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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I agree with you, the South was very lax in addressing their "peculiar institution".


Lax? You must be kidding.

They did nothing to end slavery.

The South did everything they could possibly do, including wage war against the United States of America, of which they were a part and owed their allegiance, to preserve slavery.
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Old 05-27-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Yes, it is. People should be proud of their ancestors desire to live as they thought they should.
If you're proud of your ancestors' desire to be able to own and sell human beings, so be it. I think that tells us about as much of your character as we need to know.
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Old 05-27-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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No it isn't. It was a terrible chapter in our nation's history. I don't see why the southern states need a special holiday honoring "confederate heroes and generals". It makes the state look backwards then southerners complain when they are stereotyped into being racist, bigoted, uneducated, etc. I just don't understand it, lol. The south didn't get stereotyped into being racist just out of thin air. We should start looking forward and be progressive, otherwise things will never change for the better.

What really irks me is these pro-south history teachers teaching about the civil war from a pro confederate point of view. This is doing nothing but teaching hate to white students. They just rave about Robert E. Lee and how the south was some happy place where slaves just adored their masters and the northern states were trashy, rude, cold etc. And making the Union look like if they were on the wrong side of history/ the villains. It just sickens me that some teacher out here in my state of VA is teaching the civil war lessons from a pro confederate view. Terribly sickening. And others who are hell bent on proving that the war wasn't over slavery. Sorry, but if you don't think that slavery didn't have absolutely NOTHING to do with the civil war, then you are sadly mistaken. And they say that most Americans (particularly non-southerners) are blinded by "union/yankee propaganda" when they themselves are blinded by "confederate propaganda" Then they go around saying that people just love to demonize the south, take away their culture, and all that other crap. Some people just need to get over that you lost the war of "Northern Aggression".



South Carolina automatically seceded after Lincoln was elected because they thought that Lincoln would outlaw slavery.
South attacks Union
Tons of young southern men who fought just so cause they believed in the institution of slavery die, even if the outcome would not have affected them anyway because they were too darn poor to even own one slave lol.
Sherman burned down southern cities
The south surrendered
The slaves were freed
The South suffered the consequences of wanting to keep the southern way of life. - I don't care if you live at or near a civil war battlefield, or that women were left alone to run farms on their own, or your ancestors lost most of their money because their slaves were freed and later kicked their butts with the Union,( I have to admit but this would have been hysterical to be seen) and they knew their way of life was immoral.
The south is readmitted into the Union
Everyone's happy now, so just let it go and start living in the 21st century.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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NEWS FLASH - The North had slaves also.
No,not a news flash!!

Where did I state that the North had no slaves!!
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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More shameful than "too bad."
More "hypocritical" than "shameful"--if the assertion that they did not believe in slavery is true.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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No,not a news flash!!

Where did I state that the North had no slaves!!
By 1850 the North had eliminated slavery.
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