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Old 04-18-2010, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Metairie, La.
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Blacks share in that blame then, since it was Africans who sold their African slaves to Arab slave traders for transport to the New World.
Implicit in your statement above is the idea that all black people are the same, especially all people in Africa. If that is true, then all white people or those of European descent are the same.

This statement of yours quoted above also demonstrates your ignorance of the Europeans' role in the African slave trade, even the internal slave trade. Further, your statement demonstrates your ignorance of the role of white-on-white slavery and slave trade in Europe before the beginning of the African slave trade. Well, what went on in Europe in the middle ages isn't called "slavery." Rather it's called "fuedalism" but it means basically the same thing.

Lastly, in the antebellum North, especially New York, Philly, Boston, whites considered themselves "wage slaves."

No one race, creed, color, religion, or ethnicity has a monopoly on slavery. Slavery...well human beings are at fault.
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:48 PM
 
Location: southern california
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your statements are all correct and true the horrors of slavery. but has nothing to do with your OP whatsoever. civil war was fought over unconstitutional tariffs laid on southern cotton trade with england. slavery was not even in the picture.
you are right however re southern pride over the war they should never have started. launching a war against a bigger better armed thug is not ever a good idea. right does not always make might. the mugger will lose to me not because i am a righteous man, but because i am faster and better trained with a knife than he is.
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:51 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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the usa is also the only country to nuke someone....not too proud there either

we should be doing it more often, that way some countries would know not to mess with the USA. it would take care of alot of problems.
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Old 04-18-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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Confederate Diplomacy:

On 25 February 1861, Davis and Toombs dispatched A.B. Roman, Martin J. Crawford, and John Forsyth to Washington to negotiate a peaceful separation and the evacuation of all federal property in the Confederacy. Two days later, Toombs sent William Lowndes Yancey, Pierre A. Rost, and Ambrose Dudley Mann to Europe to secure de jure recognition of the Confederate States of America and treaties of amity and commerce. No thought was given to establishing permanent missions in Washington or any European capital.
Not surprisingly, Roman, Forsyth, and Crawford—who arrived in Washington in early March—had no success there. Seward refused to meet with the commissioners or to arrange a meeting with Lincoln, which they had requested. Unwilling, however, to antagonize the agents, Seward maintained contact through a third party. He assured the Confederates that the Union would not attempt to coerce the seceded states into returning to the Union and still hoped that a peaceful reunion was possible. On 8 April, after a month of waiting impatiently and distrusting Seward's assurance of Lincoln's commitment to the maintenance of peace, Crawford informed Davis of rumors that Lincoln was committed to war. A few days later the three Confederates returned home.


Read more: http://www.americanforeignrelations.com/A-D/Civil-War-Diplomacy-Confederate-agents-in-washington-and-europe.html#ixzz0l32v9odp

Notice the date they were sent 2 months before the firing on Fort Sumter. The Lincoln White House would NOT let peace happen, Seward killed all chances of preventing the war. And the following is now history. So sir, may I say on the kindest terms, you are very wrong.

Yes they are all wrong BUT EFFECTIVE ! Gotta hand the devil his due here .

The lies and half truths have managed to do what armies never could have " BRING DOWN AMERICA .

Did they happen to mention who sold these poor slaves to us ? if they said black slave masters from their beloved Africa [ who are still enslaving and hacking up their own people today ] they would be right ?
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Old 04-18-2010, 04:04 PM
 
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Implicit in your statement above is the idea that all black people are the same, especially all people in Africa. If that is true, then all white people or those of European descent are the same.

This statement of yours quoted above also demonstrates your ignorance of the Europeans' role in the African slave trade, even the internal slave trade. Further, your statement demonstrates your ignorance of the role of white-on-white slavery and slave trade in Europe before the beginning of the African slave trade. Well, what went on in Europe in the middle ages isn't called "slavery." Rather it's called "fuedalism" but it means basically the same thing.

Lastly, in the antebellum North, especially New York, Philly, Boston, whites considered themselves "wage slaves."

No one race, creed, color, religion, or ethnicity has a monopoly on slavery. Slavery...well human beings are at fault.

Arabs enslaved Africans in the 1300s long before europe was a threat to anyone . They are doing it again right now in Europe,and the USA .
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Old 04-18-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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The truth of a horror is often forgotten to glamorize the lie......

"It was bad enough when Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell proclaimed Confederate History Month without mentioning slavery, but at least he came to his senses and apologized."

How well the Gov. forgot the truth until he was reminded of it........

"The Atlantic slave trade was one of the last millennium’s greatest horrors. An estimated 17 million Africans, most of them teenagers, were snatched from their families, stuffed into the holds of ships and brought to the New World. As many as 7 million of them died en route, either on the high seas or at “seasoning” camps in the Caribbean where they were “broken” to the will of their masters."


Eugene Robinson: The Confederacy Isn’t Something to Be Proud Of - Truthdig
Slavery is nothing to be proud of - for our whole nation, as well as ALL nations, past and present ...

Yes, slavery should have originally been mentioned.
Was it the main reason the Civil War was fought? That is debatable and could be a thread all its own

The Confederacy isn't something to be proud of?
258,000 died and 137,000 plus were wounded - I wish to think they did not die in vain.

I often use these two quotes to put the Confederacy in perspective:

"Nothing fills me with deeper sadness
than to see a Southerner apologizing
for the defense we made of our
Inheritance." - Jefferson Davis

"I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came." - Jefferson Davis
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Old 04-18-2010, 04:58 PM
 
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Fact . many whites were in servitude also. Share croppers, poor homesteaders , mine workers and other industry labors like the automobile and steel workers.

Not a one owned a slave or abused one . The rich employ the poor just like always .
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:42 PM
 
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I always ask myself if blacks today are so worried about slavery many years ago how come I never hear anything about the slave trade that is going on today.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:47 PM
 
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I always ask myself if blacks today are so worried about slavery many years ago how come I never hear anything about the slave trade that is going on today.

Not only that but they honor it by calling themselves ' African Americans '. Maybe they need to learn whats happening to them overthere . Same cult , different age . How many arabs do you see marrying blacks ?
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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I have news for you: while that piece plays up the horrors of the international slave trade and tries connecting it directly to the Confederacy...it ended decades earlier and the Confederate Constitution itself outlawed the international slave trade.
arctichomesteader !!! ... Indeed Well Said !

The Confederacy and the old South are very much a part of our past ... "Proud American History" !

The Confederacy is past history, slavery is past history ..... They ain't around anymore. That was approximately 150 years ago !!!

No one alive today has ever owned a slave, been a slave or been a Confederate soldier !

It's really "OKAY' for American Citizens to study, form clubs, fly the Confederate Flag, wear the old uniforms for special events and collect Civil War stuff !

Regardless of what the extremely idiotic PC history version crew has to say on this great subject ..... American's should continue to persue their
enormously involved interest in our fantastic actual "History" !

The dopey PC automatons don't have a clue about actual and factual U.S. history. This seemingly inept bunch takes great pride making up their own nutty version of history ..... and this is exceedingly dangerous for a nation of people whom cherish their proud past and those great Scots, Irish, German, English, and French immigrants whom sacrificed so very, very much for the exceptional freedom and liberties we enjoy to this very day.

May we ever remain an enlightened and intelligent nation of "Patriots" whom retains that great sense of "Pride" in true American History, and not become a nation of nitwits as the PC pundits would greatly like to see us become !

Thanks / Old Sgt. Lamar
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