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Old 04-15-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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The funny part is the Te Party are complaining about high taxes and supporting the poor when the problem is the rich failing to pay their share and getting bailout for their mistakes as well. I agree the working and middle class are paying too much tax but not the reason. It is not BIG Government, it is BIG Government owned by the top 1% and providing them with both revenue and security while removing both from the rest of us.
I did a copy and paste to make sure I got it right:

the problem is the rich failing to pay their share


Greg, what percentage should they pay? do you have a clue what percentage they currently pay?
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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My biggest hangup is that the tea parties did not take off until after 1/20/09 when we really needed them long before that.
Perhaps it was due to the MSM not accurately reporting on the various "Grassroots" dissenters from the 1990's, and early 2000's.

During Clinton's regime, there were plenty of groups.
Association de Libertas, Fully Informed Jury Association, Gun Owners of America, Save a Patriot, National Commodity and Barter Association, and so on.

But these groups were often portrayed as extremists, with views allegedly associated with David Koresh (d. 1993), Gordon Kahl (d. 1983), Randy Weaver - Ruby Ridge incident - Vicki Weaver (d. 1992), Montana Freemen standoff (1996), Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma city bombing, 1995), and the dissent stifling attack on 09-11-2001.

The problem with many dissenting groups is the divisive ideology that keeps them from being a major factor in American political policy. Of course, that divisiveness was deliberate, and calculated upon the functional illiteracy of the populace.

A people who cannot decipher the opening paragraph* of the Declaration of Independence are not going to offer much resistance to the wholesale thievery going on.

(* DoI: Job #1 = secure rights, Job #2 = govern those who consent)

In case you were not informed, consent waives Job #1.

Proof: See the historical record of the militia - defined as ALL MALE CITIZENS, who were obligated to train, fight and die, if necessary, on command. If that's not a violation of the right to life, liberty, etc, what is it?
But since citizenship requires consent, it's perfectly legitimate - if you knew that fact before hand.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I do know how much they pay and it is only about 1/3 of what they should be paying. IMHO no one making, from all sources, less then the 85th percentile should be paying any Federal Income tax.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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I was suprised how neoconish the teapartiers are.

They protest now but from 1/20/2001-1/20/2009 not a peep.

That is why this is not a legitmate populist movement.


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That's why your statement is not legitimate.

Your dates should be from 1774 to 2008 to bear any validity. There was no populist tea party movement until 2008.

There was and IS the PorkBusters effort to lobby for reduction is congressional waste. If you missed it, well, what I said.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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What is the big suprise? The fact that more educated and wealthier people are unhappy with the way the president and congress are doing their job and that they are unhappy with the direction the country is progressing only seems sensible. Among other things, they tend to stay more informed. Only the uninformed or delusional are happy with the way things are going.
Wow thanks for explaining this trend to me, awful lot of delusional People out there, now i know why.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I was suprised how neoconish the teapartiers are.

They protest now but from 1/20/2001-1/20/2009 not a peep.

That is why this is not a legitmate populist movement.

Many interesting results in this poll.

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Maybe you should learn a little something about the TEA Party. For example, TEA is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. Which means, as the name implies, they protest congressional tax increases. There were no protests by the TEA Party from 1994 through 2008 because there were no congressional tax increases. There were TEA Party protests in 1993 when Congress enacted the largest, and retro-active, tax increase in US history. 1978 was the first year the TEA Party held their first national protest.

It is certainly no coincidence that national TEA Party protests are only occurring when Democrats control Congress, because only Democrats massively increase taxes.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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Maybe you should learn a little something about the TEA Party. For example, TEA is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. Which means, as the name implies, they protest congressional tax increases. There were no protests by the TEA Party from 1994 through 2008 because there were no congressional tax increases. There were TEA Party protests in 1993 when Congress enacted the largest, and retro-active, tax increase in US history. 1978 was the first year the TEA Party held their first national protest.

It is certainly no coincidence that national TEA Party protests are only occurring when Democrats control Congress, because only Democrats massively increase taxes.
I know what TEA stands for and I also know that TEA activists only pop up when a Democrat is elected President.

Perhaps you should learn a populist movement will not take place with a major political party leading the movement. Tea partiers are mostly Bush / Cheney Neocon Republicans out to pummell Obama.

It could have been a great movement instead it turned out to be a bunch of partisan hacks venting frustration of election losses.
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Wow thanks for explaining this trend to me, awful lot of delusional People out there, now i know why.
Hey, glad to help
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:46 AM
 
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You all missed one thing, they vote and the tide is going to change... It's funny, even the stupid can vote. That's how we got into this mess!
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I know what TEA stands for
Obviously you didn't have a clue, judging from your original post.

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and I also know that TEA activists only pop up when a Democrat is elected President.
Presidents have nothing to do with massively increasing taxes, that is done by an act of Congress, and in the last 32 years only by a Democrat controlled Congress. You should seriously consider taking a remedial civics course.

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Perhaps you should learn a populist movement will not take place with a major political party leading the movement. Tea partiers are mostly Bush / Cheney Neocon Republicans out to pummell Obama.
Judging by the thousands showing up at these protests, it would appear the TEA Party is indeed a very popular movement. The purpose of these protests is to get one or both of the major parties to listen to their complaints and act accordingly. Obviously the Democrats have no interest in adhering to the will of the people, or these protests wouldn't be necessary. So that leaves only the GOP. It still remains to be seen whether or not the GOP got the message in the 2006 and 2008 elections. The TEA Party doesn't care which party listens to them, as long as one of them does.

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It could have been a great movement instead it turned out to be a bunch of partisan hacks venting frustration of election losses.
It still is a great movement and it will continue and grow, because of, and in spite of, the attacks by anti-American socialists and their cohorts in the media.
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